Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum
:

duplex carb balls

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
34gpa

02-13-2006 07:27:44




Report to Moderator

I need to take out 2 of the carb passage way steel balls and I was wondering what every body has tried and had some degree of success. Thaks for any and all hints. Rod




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Dave NE IA

02-13-2006 11:08:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: duplex carb balls in reply to 34gpa, 02-13-2006 07:27:44  
I have found the only pratical way is the wire welder, weld in short intervals, the heat will loosten them and when you get a tip welded on you can usualy get them with a good vise grip. It may indeed take a few to several tries, but always works. I have purchased a can of spray that I intend to spray around the carb to avoid spatters where I do not want them, but so far I keep forgetting. I have also considered taking a small piece of tin and cutting a small hole to lay on top before welding to avoid spatter. Has anone else got any ideas to avoid spatter? I always bead blast good to clean the hole so to speak, perhaps I should not bead blast the whole carb till I get the balls out as the spatter may not stick to the rusty carb. Dave NE IA

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Duane Larson

02-13-2006 09:29:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: duplex carb balls in reply to 34gpa, 02-13-2006 07:27:44  
I have copied my previous response to this question, hence the reference to another name:

The main problem is with the recessed balls. Bending a punch will remove the side balls near the load jets without too much trouble. But the main problem with plugged passages I have run into are the idle passages involving the balls which are deeper in the casting.
I'm afraid Dave is correct about use of a wire welder, and that often takes repeated tries. I have tried many approaches to remove the ball bearings, the last being another shot with a coated carbide ball end mill recommended by Niagra Tool. The balls are around Rockwell C60 hard, and even carbide end mills dull working on that hardness. I tried heating the balls first to soften them, and that worked on the top surface but they contact too much of the surface to get them hot enough to have much effect. And the end mill dulls after the heated top surface is removed.

There is another, time consuming approach I used involving drilling down to the ball, then using a drill bit ground concave on the end to fit around the ball to remove more of the metal around the ball, then drilling a hole at a right angle to the ball and using a punch with the tip ground at 45 deg to pop the ball out. A lot of trouble to go through, and if the drill bit drilling the right angle hole wanders before it gets to the ball (as does happen) life gets even tougher. And then a new ball does not necessarily stick as there is not enough metal left around the ball.

So, locate a person good with a wire welder (I use .024 wire and a 110 Miller gas feed). I drill out the holes leading to the deep balls in the manifold end of the carb to 1/4" to improve access to the balls. When everything is clean I replace the balls, and the manifold gasket covers the enlarged holes.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Machinery-man

02-13-2006 08:14:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: duplex carb balls in reply to 34gpa, 02-13-2006 07:27:44  
I"ve worked on a number of these and havent" a plan for removal. Drilling with regular bits out of the question....I"ve cleaned with leaving them in...use wire and work up passages....I know Robert"s removes but believe he uses diamond tip drill bits then puts in brass screws...this was a quick production process saving the manufacturer money....I don"t recall away to knock the balls out...I tried drilling and the bit would go off center...

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy