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Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly

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2cylinderlp

02-19-2006 19:15:55




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I'm having trouble getting the lock nut off the lower shaft on the left side of my 730. The lock nut seems to be stuck hard and I can't grab it very easy. A cold chisel won't line up and the metal the the nut is made of is quite soft making it easy to damage. I had someone tell me that a special tool for Ford truck four wheel drive front hubs might work on this. I have to get it apart because the 2nd/5th speed counter shaft gear has some fairly bad tooth damage and I want it fixed properly. My differential gear also has half of one of the gear teeth missing. I'll post another message with a picture showing the gear damage. I am looking for those parts if someone has them and wants to sell.

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machinery-man

02-20-2006 08:12:46




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 Re: Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 19:15:55  
the other guys have covered removing the retainer but wanted to advise that there is a snap ring near the center of the shaft that is a first class bear to expand if you don"t have the right tool. You then expand and shaft will move letting the gears off. When you get there you"ll know what I"m referring to. I don"t think the shaft will come out without this ring removed fromt the retaining groove. The tool is a plier type instrument with beveled grooves on the end.

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Mike M

02-20-2006 05:18:30




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 Re: Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 19:15:55  
The outer lip of it should be staked down into a spline. You will first need to bend this back up with a small punch or screwdriver or whatever you can get in there.

I have a 4x4 front hub tool I modified for some ,but most will just spin off with a punch. This buggers them up sometimes. I used to be able to buy new ones,but don't know about that anymore. They get pretty indented on the backside because most all of those lower countershafts are running around with way too much end play.

Depending on your trans. ? I have used some of the NEW repro gears with good results. I think 2nd & 5th was the one they make ?

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2cylinderlp

02-19-2006 19:21:24




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 Re: Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 19:15:55  
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Here is a picture of my tranny troubles. Both the 2nd/5th counter shaft gear and the differential gear have damage. Interestingly, I didn't find and shrapnel in the bottom of the case.



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Mike M

02-20-2006 05:21:56




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 Re: Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 19:21:24  
After you do one of those, no easy job or cheap you never let your gears grind apon shifting again. ( even if it was those before you )



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F-I-T

02-19-2006 19:57:21




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 Re: Tranny trouble - need help with dissasembly in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 19:21:24  
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You need a spanner type socket or wrench. I've made them on occassion, then toss them into the tool box in case I ever run in another nut like that. Old keyway stock welded on the end of a piece of pipe works, as well as just grinding one up from scratch. Just find a piece of pipe that will slip over the shaft.

Some 4-wheel drives and trucks use those deep spanner nuts.

Here's a driver used to remove those nusts from washing machines:

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F-I-T

02-19-2006 19:59:08




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 Tool sketch in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2006 19:57:21  
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Here's how I grind my own. Use a big pliers or a pipe wrench on the outside. A pipe coupling works great.



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2cylinderlp

02-19-2006 20:20:36




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 Re: Tool sketch in reply to F-I-T, 02-19-2006 19:59:08  
OK thanks Frank. I had thought about doing something like that but just wanted to see what others thought. The 720 manual just says to take it apart and doesn't mention use of any special tool. I have a mill and should be able to easily make a workable spanner.



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Bob

02-19-2006 22:55:44




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 Re: Tool sketch in reply to 2cylinderlp, 02-19-2006 20:20:36  
For a similar application, I bought a spindle nut socket, sawed it in half, and welded in a length of tube to get the depth needed. Or, possibily, such a socket would be deep enough without adding a piece of tubing.



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