Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum
:

B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces.

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Joe MD

03-01-2006 13:59:31




Report to Moderator

I have done quite a bit of reading, but still cannot understand the need for all of these models.

They are just so similar in size, weight, and HP.

Did the old farmer think to himself, "Golly, if I only had 3 more horsepower. I should have gotten the B."

Just seems redundant. Straighten me out.




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Mike M

03-02-2006 05:52:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
If you want redundant take a look at JD's New tractor line up the compact and lawn and garden models will drive you crazy trying to get them all straight.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dave NE IA

03-01-2006 16:11:37




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
I know most of us, even us old guys have no idea what a few dollars differance made. As we observe a dollar for a bottle of water we must remember hard times. Folks making Lard sandwiches nowdays would probably make our kids complain just a little. Not to mention if they had to realy work barefoot and all. In light of the RC Allis Chalmers to the WC there was about $200.00 differance. A real big deal if you did not have, or could not borrow the extra. Dave NE IA

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kent WI

03-01-2006 15:29:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
Joe, when the B became a styled, in 1939, engine updates to the tractor deemed it to be a “2 plow tractor” the H was added at this point as a “1 plow tractor” for the small farm, less than 80 acres. The plow number refers to the tractors ability to pull a 16” bottom, times the number, plow. The H was produced until 1947 when it was replaced by the M series tractor.
M, MT, MC, MI are all variations of the M tractor. A great book that goes into detail information about these tractors is “The John Deere Styled Letter Series 1939 to 1952” by J. R. Hobbs

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
G/MAN

03-01-2006 15:27:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
3 horsepower seems like nothing when put in today's context, but when you're talking a 3 horsepower difference in the 15-20 horsepower range, you're looking at around a 20% difference. Or roughly the difference between something like an 8130 and an 8430 today.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Glen in TX

03-01-2006 15:26:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
I always understood the H and L were aimed at those still farming with horses yet and why they were that size. There were lots of other little tractors of other brands that size on the market then too to compete against for market share. Look how many models there have been from the 70s to now. Today how many have the need for a 500 HP 4x4 but look at the demand for the little tractors. It's like we are going backwards?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
farmerboy

03-01-2006 15:08:19




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to Joe MD, 03-01-2006 13:59:31  
The B came about first in 1935 - 16 HP. It was upped to 18.5 hp with the introduction of styling in 1939 and to 20.5 for 1941. The B took another jump to 27.6 HP in 1947

You missed the L and LA for small tractors. They were built by the Wagon Works and were sneered at as a "nontractor" by the Waterloo Works. The L brought 10.4 horse to the party in 1939 and the LA upped it to 14.3 in 1941. The L and LA were marketed as a 1 row machine to truck farmers.

The H was built by the Waterloo Works for the 1939 year. It was built to be a VERY low cost tractor. It came out at 14.4 horse. It was marketed as a 2 row machine. The "B" had increased in HP to meet demand and Deere felt they had left the market for a very small 2 row machine behind. The "H" filled the gap.

The M was introduced in 1948 and replaced the L, LA, and H. It had 20 horse.

Not a lot of redundancy mwhen you really look at it. I'm sure other much smarter than me can add more to my explaination.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Stan - Florida

03-01-2006 15:19:48




Report to Moderator
 Re: B, H, M, MT Why? Market Forces. in reply to farmerboy, 03-01-2006 15:08:19  
Farmerboy,

You hit the nail on the head. When those tractors came out, there was a place for every one of them. The thing to remember, at least up 'til the M came out, is that these tractors were replacements for a team of horses (which were often traded in on the tractor). Farms were small back then, and an 'H' could be all the power one needed for 80 acres. Dad farmed 215 acres with a styled 'B' and a team of horses with the help of a hired hand in the summer. After the war broke out, he lost the help of the young, single hired hand, and Grandpa had to go back to work for a few years.

Stan

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy