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Haywire

09-27-2006 21:19:20




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On my diesel tractor I have removed the solenoids and fuses and relays. It is a 12 volt system and currently only the starting system is being used. I would like to get the alternator hooked up so that I can run the fender lights and get a little juice going into the battery. I have not worked with alternator or generators before and am wondering if it is possible to run a line from the output terminal on the alt to the battery (pos or neg?) then run my line out to the switch and lights from there. also the battery is not yet grounded to the tractor, it comes back from the starter. any wisdom,experience or advice is greatly appreciated. I really just want to keep it as simple as possible without breaking anything or burning my self up. Thanks.

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Glen in TX

09-28-2006 09:13:07




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 Re: Alternator hookup in reply to Haywire, 09-27-2006 21:19:20  
You said you didn't want to burn it up but yet you took all the protection off of it and want to wire lights back again. You can wire up a one wire alternator like that but it may work and may not and like Bob said it can discharge when shut off and you'll be having to disconnect battery each time. One wire does require more rpm at starting to get it to start charging too. You'll find pros and cons of wiring one wire or other ways at Mad Electrical tech info section but I'd go with the method Bob shows also and put the protection of relays, fuses and solenoids back on with a new wiring harness. One wire was only good sometimes for wiring up on a temporary stationary remote engine. http://www.madelectrical.com

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John T

09-28-2006 08:10:52




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 Re: Alternator hookup in reply to Haywire, 09-27-2006 21:19:20  
Haywire, your question can really open a can of worms....cuz theres lots of ways to do this..

Sure, if its a "one wire" alternator and most require Negative ground you know, you could indeed simply wire the alternators output post up to the battery and it would charge it and you can feed lights etc off the hot battery post with a fuze and switch etc

HOWEVER dont you have an ammeter?? If so and you want it to work correctly, the alternators output plus feeds to any light switches would be wired on the Load side while the ammeters other Supply terminal (only 1 wire there) would be what wires to the battey, often at the big battery cable connection on a switch or solenoid.

Then if you use a one wire alternator and youre at negative ground (like most all are) youre good to go. Buttttt t like Bob noted and most of us prefer the 3 wire GM 10 SI configured to work as a one wire cuz they are cheap n readily available and they excite at a lower RPM and theres no problem of any trickle discharge. With that on a diesel you gotta do some more wiring, however to power up the excitation circuit.

Bob's pics and Bob M's diagrams can get you wired, (not sure if they show how to wire an oil pressure switch for the excitation circuit on a diesel???) I do it a little differently but either way will work.

John T

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Bob

09-27-2006 23:28:57




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 Re: Alternator hookup in reply to Haywire, 09-27-2006 21:19:20  
Why not tell us what tractor you are working with?

MOST alternators are 12-Volt (-) ground, but like everything else, there are exceptions.

A common alternator for 12-Volt systems is a 10SI Delco, shown here:

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You can connect it up, using a diode, as shown, or a #194 lamp "idiot light" in place of the diode. They are COMPLETELY interchangeable, and you can use either one you choose.

Bob Melville, over on the IH board has drawn up, and graciously made available, a series of wiring diagrams.

No matter WHAT color tractor you are working with, there will be a diagram that will work for you, with little or no modifications.

One of the diagrams, good for a diesel, shows how to wire in a oil pressure switch, since a diesel MAY not have a key (ignition) switch.

Oh, yeah, it is REALLY simple to wire up a "3-wire alternator, as shown. Do yourself a favor, and don't even THINK about getting a (goofy) one-wire alternator! The "one-wire" alternators typically are more costly, more prone to slowly discharge the battery during periods of non-use, and usually require the engine to be "revved up" to get the alternator to start charging, at each startup.

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Haywire

09-28-2006 18:24:49




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 Re: Alternator hookup in reply to Bob, 09-27-2006 23:28:57  
oopps. That starter soleniod is the one that's actually part of the starter isn't it?



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Haywire

09-28-2006 18:13:18




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 Re: Alternator hookup in reply to Bob, 09-27-2006 23:28:57  
Thanks for the responses. The tractor is a 6030 - no cab.
Bob - that is the alternator I have in the picture. in those wiring diagrams - which are pretty nice- I think number 7 is pretty close. Minus the ign coil and dist. of course. i think I still have that starter solenoid in the diagram. So I guess I'll have ground the battery to the tractor. Can I just eliminate the wire from the key swith to the resistor, coil and dist? and also eliminate the wire that goes to them off of the starter solenoid? What is the purpose of the Diode? and do I have to have an ammeter (I will if I have to but I'm pretty sure it didn't have one-just the idiot light)? Thanks for the help.

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