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20gauge

11-02-2006 18:46:07




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I found a complete 45 loader sitting in the weeds today. How useful were these things? They don't look like much. Can you expect to do light excavation with 'em or were they strictly manure loaders? How hard do they make a tractor with "armstrong power steering" steer? I'd be mounting this on a "60" which is what he took it off.

Guy who owns it says it worked fine when he took it off his "60" 30 years ago, he just didn't need it. The cylinder rams are retracted into the cylinders. Does this pretty much gaurantee them to be in perfect condition? We have no way of extending them without me hauling it home and hooking it to my "60". I'd kinda like to know if they're good before I get that far.

Also, how much should I offer it? It has two tine buckets, a small bucket to go over the tines and a big bucket to go over the tines. There are some welds on it but it's not destroyed like some I've seen. The arms seem pretty sloppy in the uprights

Thanks.

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Randy G.

11-03-2006 23:42:23




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20gauge, 11-02-2006 18:46:07  
I"m glad I have my 45 loader!! I"ve used it to move dirt, snow, large rocks, large chunks of concrete, telephone poles, manure and cut trees. I also have pulled up fence posts and railroad ties. Its great for hauling tools, fencing supplies and anything around the farm to where its needed. I also use it to raise my riding mowers for easy cleaning under the mower deck. I paid $300 for mine and feel it was more than worth the price.

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Fred from MO

11-03-2006 11:30:47




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20gauge, 11-02-2006 18:46:07  
I bought a 45 loader for 300 bucks a couple of years ago. Structurly it was in good shape, however the cylinders were week. I have moved gravel, pulled up small bushes, pushed over small trees and lifted things. It is not as nice as a modern tractor since mine has the trip bucket. I would love to make this a hydraulic bucket if someone has the chance to share some pictures/plans. I have now have the cylinders apart and am rebuilding them. I paid 50 bucks for the rebuild kit. That seems a lot for a leather cup and 3-4 o-rings, but that seem to be the going rate. All in all it is fun to have it on the tractor and with the selector valve I bought. I can use the three point and lock out the loader in the up position and it just rides along.

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F-I-T

11-03-2006 15:31:32




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to Fred from MO, 11-03-2006 11:30:47  
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Fred:

I'd be happy to take some photos of my 45W with hydro bucket if you want. If you have a 45 operators manual for your, there should be phots of the hydraulic bucket set up there as well. It makes it a completely different loader.



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55 50

11-03-2006 07:26:08




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20gauge, 11-02-2006 18:46:07  
I have to disagree with MSM. I have a 45 loader on a 50 tractor. Those loaders do have down pressure on the main cylinders. Don"t know about the steering thing as my 50 has power steering. The manual for the loader says they are capable of lifting 2100 pounds. Mine has a trip bucket so I don"t use it for much, definitely no snow work. However there was a kit to put hydraulic control on the bucket also. Does the one you"re looking at have this kit by chance. If it does that would make it more valuable. My loader came with the tractor, got both for a total of $1000 about 15 years ago, so that would say the loader is worth very little.

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20 gauge

11-03-2006 08:05:11




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 55 50, 11-03-2006 07:26:08  
Thanks for the responses thus far. Look forward ro reading more.

This one has the trip bucket.

This one looks to be plumbed for down pressure as it has lines coming off both ends of both cylinders. They are spliced together and have pioneer tips that would go into one remote. This seems like a bad idea because the oil would more readily go to the side with less wieght, twisting the whole unit. Dunno if the powertrol has the capacity to put enough oil in the cylinders to lift it all the way up, either. Is there a better way to plumb up these loaders?

You guys aren't doing a very good job of selling me on it ;-) I was just gonna use it to push snow and maybe some light excavation. Haul a little wood in the bucket from the woods, too. Pushing snow would be tough as I couldn't back drag, light excavation seems to be outta the question, and it wouldn't haul much wood as well. Hmm...

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135 Fan

11-04-2006 00:34:52




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20 gauge, 11-03-2006 08:05:11  
When lifting the cylinders are connected together on the frame and would lift evenly with out twisting. Maybe you could find or make a blade to put on it for pushing snow? Then you wouldn't have to worry about dumping. Just make the blade so it doesn't pivot. You could put some kind of spring trip on it, like a blade for a truck, if you were worried about damaging it. Loaders are very handy to have around. You always find something else you can use it for. Down pressure is a bonus but not really necessary for a lighter loader. If you have two hoses to the cyl., you have down pressure anyway. Hope this helps. Dave

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135 Fan

11-04-2006 00:42:13




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 135 Fan, 11-04-2006 00:34:52  
Almost forgot. With a blade you would be able to pull snow backwards as well. I've seen blades made out of an old piece of 24 in. pipe. If you got real ambitous you could make the blade angle and it would speed clearing greatly. Dave



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JDK

11-03-2006 13:28:24




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20 gauge, 11-03-2006 08:05:11  
20 gauge.....

I have a 45 loader w/snow bucket on a B. I have been using it for snow removal in a big drive/parking lot. I have a back blade that I plumbed so I can switch from loader to rockshaft/back blade in seconds, from the seat. I haul firewood in the bucket also. I have been using this for about 10 years. There is a difference between opinions and experience. If this is the info you may be looking for, and enjoy driving these old 2 cylinders, write me.

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F-I-T

11-03-2006 09:12:35




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20 gauge, 11-03-2006 08:05:11  
>>This one has the trip bucket.

This one looks to be plumbed for down pressure as it has lines coming off both ends of both cylinders. They are spliced together and have pioneer tips that would go into one remote. This seems like a bad idea because the oil would more readily go to the side with less wieght, twisting the whole unit. Dunno if the powertrol has the capacity to put enough oil in the cylinders to lift it all the way up, either. Is there a better way to plumb up these loaders?

You guys aren't doing a very good job of selling me on it ;-) I was just gonna use it to push snow and maybe some light excavation. Haul a little wood in the bucket from the woods, too. Pushing snow would be tough as I couldn't back drag, light excavation seems to be outta the question, and it wouldn't haul much wood as well. Hmm...


I have a 45W that came with the hydraulic dump option. That makes it a pretty handy loader, especially I installed a wider bucket on it. Equipped this way it can hold its own. The most imnportant part of using any loader around dirt is to have the soil loose first. It's not a backhow or an industrial loader built to shell out stumps. Remember, an old loader like this is a just large wheelbarrow. You can still find the wider snow wings for the Deere 45 bucket and they do a good job on snow, and when fitted, they'll carry a lot of wood that way.

On the plumbing, the lines to the fronts of the lift cylinders were used for oil storage since the Powr-Trol box didn' have much of a reservoir. When they are filled with oil, the loader will lift all the way up with no problems. You'll get a little bit of a down pressure bump with those hoses, but by then the oil starts pushing past the piston and the effective down pressure gets to be pretty light. BTW, the oil SHOULD go to the light side first, and once that pressure is equals to the load on the other side, the load will lift straight. That's parallel hyfdraulics 101. If you put a load to one side or the other, you can twist it, or any loader for that matter. A 45 trip loader is seldom worth more than a couple hundred dollars, and for that you can do quite a bit with them, but you'll always have that hand clutch to tie occupy one hand, hand number two on the steering wheel, hand number three on the Powr-trol lever, hand number four on the trip lever, and hand number five scratching you nose, adjustong your hat, running the throttle, and swatting at flies. BUT, all in all, they sure were am improvement over a pitch fork. Remember what they were originallly designed to do. Once you ask a 50 year old machine to exceed it's orignal design parameters, you'll likely be dissapointed, though it is seldom the equipment's fault.

Frank

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Mike M

11-03-2006 10:34:42




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to F-I-T, 11-03-2006 09:12:35  
ROFLMAO !!!! 5 hands !!!!! Just be glad you have live hyd. or you might need another hand to shift it into neutral all the time.

I knew a fellow once who dug his pond with a 60 and a #45 loader. I used to use mine all the time for an engine crane/lift everything. These are great for lifting as they don't settle down like the newer stuff does.



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Henry M

11-03-2006 05:12:45




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20gauge, 11-02-2006 18:46:07  
Wel this is apples and oranges, but I bought a 35 loader on a crap shoot one time. It had set outside for decades/long enough for the bucket to start rusting thru where it was holding water initially. The cylinder rods were good but of course not like new. After using it for a while it started to drizzle oil out the seals. jd had the repair kits and that took care of that.

I wonder about the no down pressuer issue. Course if I had a 60 I would know. I always thought that generally if you had a hyd line on each side of the cylinder and a spool with two lines feeding them, you could get pressure in either direction.

Anyhow, that is the way it works on the 35. It will raise the front of the tractor off the ground, but this is on a 420, but it would be the same for the 40.

I would wild guess at $125 max for the whole pile of scrap iron, maybe 75.

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MSM

11-03-2006 01:55:02




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 Re: 45 loader cylinders - in reply to 20gauge, 11-02-2006 18:46:07  
It will be pretty much a manure/snow loader. No down pressure and no curl cylinders pretty much negate it's use for excavation,not to mention it does not have the structural integrity to withstand that type of abuse. As for the cylinders,there is a 50/50 chance they are still good,it will depend on the condition of the seals,and if any water got in.



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