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Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire

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Joe Stewart

12-04-2006 04:08:24

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I have a 1961 JD 2010 and one of the rear tires has been giving me trouble lately. I wanted to dismount it so that I can install a boot. My question is: What are the appropriate tools that I will need in order to accomplish this? I accessed Gempler's website and saw a variety of tire spoons, so I'm confused on the proper style and length of spoon(s) to purchase. The tire is a 13.6x36 and I believe that these are drop center rims. All advice greatly appreciated. Joe Stewart

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Henry M

12-04-2006 17:59:55

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

Joe

Aint no big deal. I break the old beads with a 2x8 laid on the tire as it and the rim lays flat. Then I drive the old clanking power stroke pick up on the ramp and (seldom takes two attempts) she just sets there for a sec and walla the bead breaks down. I use two spoons.

Last two i did I ran into some lube that I am sold on. The tires just happened to be cleaned and double coated with the "thick" tire treatment from Wally world. That stuff is slicker than snot and doesn't dry off. I spooned the tirees back on with no help. these were old hard rubber ones.

course now the last pair i did was on an orange tractor - maybe they are easier lol.

Oh I forgot, I took an old rim with plenty of rust to a professional to dismount and they bent the hey out of it.

Now if you are dismounting very old useless tires that you don't plan on doing anything but starting a brush pile on fire with, the saws all is the ultimate tool to use.

have fun

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msb

12-04-2006 14:29:30

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

Joe, if were me and I had no experience in changing rear tractor tires, I would hire it done.I know of a father and his young son who were both killed while trying to save some money by changing a tire on a Ford tractor.It blew off the rim as they were reinflating it.It wasn't a pretty site,jerked their clothes clean off.
If you still want to change it yourself then I would buy two of the 30" 7/8 stock curved spoons on the page you listed below and then buy an 11 3/4" driving iron and a 17" bead breaking hammer on this page:
http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/list.asp?SKW=2T3HAMMR&c=cattire&UID=200612040950549687321010 Also ask for Don Cubby and see if he doesn't have a free tractor and truck tire changing manual.And I would get a clip on air chuck to you can stay a safe distance from the tire when seating the bead after having used plenty of soapy water on the bead to lubricate it.bob stewart here.Good luck

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CPeter

12-04-2006 15:24:29

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to msb, 12-04-2006 14:29:30

And wrap the tire and rim with a logging chain when inflating so if something does come apart, it is contained. The clip on chuck is a necessity.

CPeter

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CPeter

12-04-2006 14:03:00

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

I just did two on the rear of mmmy 420U. I used the blade of my 40C to break them down and then took somme super bars from the carpentry shop and had both off in less than 45 minutes. One was loaded. That one I hoisted on my shop crane and drained the liquid out into a 55 gallon plastic barrel. I did not plan to reuse it anyway as I replaced it with "CitriStar" liquid ballast. I had the tire guys mount the new tires.

CPeter

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Paul from MI

12-04-2006 11:03:42

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

I have been changing them for years myself. I do have a couple fo sets of spoons. I made some of them myself from scrap iron using a torch to forge the flat shaped end, not fancy but they work OK. I use a homemade slide hammer bead breaker. It's about 5 feet long with about 25# of weight on the slide. I can get 12" to 18" of stroke with it. The business end is part of an old truck spring welded to the end of the bar that forms the body and ground to suit. I try to do them on the tractor so you can use the weight of the tire itself to help you as you turn the wheel. Actually the side walls of most tractor tires aren't that stiff and once the bead is broken loose it's pretty easy. Use a good rubber lube to help. Of course this all applys to tires without liquid, for that I go to town. There is some work involved, but I have changed up to 14-30's on my D this way. I don't have any experience with anything bigger. My tools aren't beautiful, being homemade, but they didn't cost anything. I use them several times a year on wagon or implement tires, too. It's faster than a trip to town, well most of the time anyway. Good luck. Paul

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machinery-man

12-04-2006 11:02:50

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

I'd leave the wheel on tractor. Then use a roofer claw. I take the short end and hammer and work the bead back from rim and then use a couple of tire tools. Working the inside is the hardest but you can rotate your wheel and work off. Just dont' get in a hurry, use some penetrating oil or diesel fuel on the bead and it will work right off. You have to be careful and not pinch tube removing or reinstalling and be sure to clean up the rim good or you'll have another flat when you air the tube.

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joe stewart

12-04-2006 10:34:17

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

OK, thanks for all the advice. I'd like to get the spoons and try this one myself. I put a spare on the tractor so I'm not pressed for time. Looking at Gempler's selection of spoons,

Link

which one(s) would be appropriate for the tire and rim combination on my tractor? Thanks. Joe Stewart

I found a reference on technique but no detail on tools here: Link

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Glen in TX

12-04-2006 07:40:19

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

For a one time deal can you afford the proper tools to do it? Yeah more ways to break it down and skin a cat but you can hire someone that knows how and save your back and a headache and then if you can be there to watch them you might learn if you want to attempt the next one yourself or hire them again. Call your local tire shops and price their services. How far are you from town or how many trips needed if a new tire or new tube is needed? It all adds up.

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The Dukester

12-04-2006 07:07:56

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

Call your local farm/industrial/truck/contractor's tire repair service and ask them about the cheapest and easiest way to fix your tire. Some service people like to fix them with the wheel still mounted, some want the wheel off, etc. If you have to ask what tools to get, you'll be better off leaving this job to the "pro's". (Not meaning to insult you, just stating a fact).

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Osage

12-04-2006 06:35:30

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

Joe:
I do about all maintenance and/or repairs to my little JD1010 that materialize, however rear tires is one that I don't do.

My method includes removal of the tire&rim, put it on my 16' trailer and haul it off to the tractor tire guy.

Osage

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johns48b

12-04-2006 06:33:56

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Re: Dismounting/mounting a rear tractor tire in reply to Joe Stewart, 12-04-2006 04:08:24

once you get the wheel off carry it to a truck tire repair shop and let them break it down and fix it for you. i don't think this is something you want to do on your own. the spoons will cost more than the repair and unless you plan on doing a lot of tire repair it isn't worth it. however if you decide to break it down and have access to a back hoe, thats the only way to go to break the tire loose from the rim. it sure beats beating it off with a 10 pound sledge hammer.

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