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John VB

12-19-2006 05:31:09




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I have 12 volts at the coil when the switch is turned on. My understanding is that I should have 6 volts at the coil unless the starter is engaged. I also have 12 volts before and after the starting resistor. The restance measures 2.5 ohms so I should have a voltage drop across it. Am I missing something? Thanks.




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55 50

12-19-2006 13:23:57




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John VB, 12-19-2006 05:31:09  
yes you are missing something. John T explained it well. What is the reason for your post? Does the tractor not run and you are troubleshooting or are you just making measurements to see if you can understand a little about electricity and ignition systems?



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John VB

12-19-2006 17:26:03




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to 55 50, 12-19-2006 13:23:57  
The reason for my post is a little of both wanting to learn and getting it set up properly. I was measuring 12V at the coil and know it should be 6V. If it is indeed 12V, that's not good for the coil. I want to figure out what's wrong if it's getting 12V at the coil all the time or else figure out how to properly measure the voltage at the coil.



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55 50

12-19-2006 21:22:05




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John VB, 12-19-2006 17:26:03  
Well, there are both 6 volt and 12 volt coils. Are you sure what you have? John T explained it well that the points MUST be closed to drop voltage across the ignition resistor.



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John T

12-19-2006 06:20:37




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John VB, 12-19-2006 05:31:09  
John, I dont think youre missing anything as far as your understanding, maybe I am??

Youre correct assuming certain things such as:

There ought to be around 6 volts on the coil (In a 12 volt externally ballasted system) IFFFFF FFFFF all is wired correct,,,,, ,and the coils primary is good and continuous,,,,, ,,and MOST IMPORTANTLY,,,,, ,if the points are good and are FULLY CLOSED,,,,, and the points and distributor are grounded to the frame. (Inspect the poinst for closure and condition and their wiring including to the distributors pass through terminal)

If the points are good and closed and the coil primary is continuous, if you place a test lamp on the coils low (to distributor) terminal it should NOT glow when the points are closed (if they are good) or the ignition is OFF !!!!

If the points were bad or open (but theyre usually closed as its hard to stop pistons at TDC) or if the coils primary were open or the distributor not grounded, theres no current flow through the ballast to create a voltage drop across it and you would read batetry voltage on the coil buttttt ttt then she wouldnt spark either !!!!! !!!!!

You might wanna dead ground the coils low output (to distributor) terminal and then measure voltage on the coils other high input terminal ????? ? When you do that you are duplicating what should happen if a good set of points are fully closed, wired correct, and they and the distributor are grounded, and the coils primary is good and continuous.

If youre NOT dropping volate across a good n proper wired 2.5 ohms ballast resistor it must not be conducting any current

NOTE Youre also correct in that wire up from the starter switch should be hot ONLY while cranking. HOWEVER if it were bad or miswired such that it always has hot 12 volts, that would create 12 volts on BOTH sides of the ballast and the coils input,,,,, ,,,,try unhooking it n see what happens????? ?? BUTTTTT if it were always hot the coil voltage would remain hot and the coil get hot even if the ignition switch were turned OFF but if the coil is wired correct the ignition switches MAG terminal (when OFF) ought to be premanently grounding the poinst so theres no spark.

Lemme knowwwww www

John T

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John VB

12-19-2006 12:22:10




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John T, 12-19-2006 06:20:37  
John T.,

A litte more data. There is no voltage coming from the starter when not engaged. I have 12V coming from the switch to one side of the resistor. I disconnected the wire from the other side of the resistor. I have 12V to ground from each side of the resistor, even the side with nothing attached to it. The resistor still reads 2.5 ohms. The 12V to the coil is coming from the resistor. I don't know how it can read 2.5 ohms of resistance and have no voltage drop through it. Is my resistor bad?

My 620 is neg ground. I have the negative terminal of the coil connected to the distributor. Is that how it should be? I think so based on another thread here. Is the coil just a step-up transformer? Which is the primary and which is the secondary? Thanks for your time.

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John T

12-19-2006 12:56:47




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John VB, 12-19-2006 12:22:10  
John, You kind of lost me talking about when you removed the wire on the resistor thats opposite the side of the resistor wired to the ignition switch????? ??? If thats what you did and the one (high) side of the resistor gets 12 volts from the switch but the other (low) side of the resistor is hanging disconnected IT SHOULD STILL READ 12 VOLTS cuz theres no load and no current draw to drop voltage across it.

In order for the resistor to drop 6 volts as its supposed to, its low side must be wired to the coil and then the coil must be good with its low side wired to the distributor and the points must be good and be closed. My original posts pretty well described all that no sense repeating it all again.

Its all gotta be wired up and working and the points closed before youre gonna see 6 volts on the coil.

YES if at Neg ground the coils lil + gets voltage from the ballast resistor and its lil - wires to the distributor.

YES it functions sort of like a step up transformer

The coils low voltage primary is between its lil + and - terminals while its high voltage secondary is out the top center high voltage tower.

John T

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John VB

12-21-2006 05:26:03




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John T, 12-19-2006 12:56:47  
I did as you said and grounded the terminal on the side of the distributor to simulate points closed, etc. I then got 4.9 V at the coil input. Appears all is wired ok. I now have a good understanding of how the starting electrical system works. Thanks again for your help.



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John Vb

12-19-2006 17:30:45




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John T, 12-19-2006 12:56:47  
John T.,

Yeah you're right about no voltage drop without a circuit. Been too long since physics and circuits classes. If you don't use it it gets put on a dark shelf somewhere and is hard to find again. I will go back over your previous post and get a proper voltage measurement at the coil. Thanks again.



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John VB

12-19-2006 06:27:18




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 Re: 620 coil voltage in reply to John T, 12-19-2006 06:20:37  
Thanks John T. A few things to check. I will get back when I have some more data.



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