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1playfarmer

01-17-2007 18:04:46




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I ordered a tachometer for my 3020 and when I went to John Deere to pick it up today it said MADE IN CHINA!!!!! !!!!For 180.00 dollars you would think that it would be made here. Is this really my only option if I want a new tach. Thanks for any options or opnions. PF




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juniorj

01-18-2007 19:02:49




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 patent infringement and more in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
How many of us complaining here have been to these foreign countries??? I'm not a proponent of everything that's happening, but do we know the full story before we begin spouting words?

First off, it's not necessarily patent infringement just because something is being copied. Unless it has an international patent, it's not an issue to copy and bring the things back here. it just can't be copied here in or anywhere else it's covered. My research group has a few patents and I've become quite familiar with this process.

Which brings me to the rest. Many times a lot of other countries are more willing to experiment and try new things. In my field, companies are very unwilling to try new things - even when they've been tested, proven, certified, and tested some more. We can complain all we want about petroleum prices and such, but we still have it easier than others. While companies can get away with it, they're still pushing petroleum-based products. it's the other countries that are trying new things and accepting them as PART of their future. Yes China (AND OTHERS) are beginning to buy more and more of the petroleum that in the past we have had a stronghold on. At the same time though, those same countries are experimenting with and producing lots of 'green' products and green technology. It's my field, and I've taken tours of many of these countries that started adopting newer technologies - it's fascinating and exciting to see.

What we as Americans truly need, is a shift in thinking both of how we view others and how we view ourselves and our industries. Not only question where things come from, but what they COME FROM. It's the consumers that need to demand changes in both forums like the other countries have pursued from the start.

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1936

01-18-2007 14:08:26




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
The crank in your cummings is from India for years and years and JD had imported motors from France via containers from the late 70's when I looked that them on the docks and rail yards. China has over run the others for prices, prision labor, and state owned steel mills. Americans what and are getting blue jeans for 9 dollars. The Nikes you ware have a import price of less than three dollars for duty. Last computer problem I had help with and ATT phone service was direct to India. The elections are starting to be settled by the electorial college not at the ballot box.

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G/MAN

01-18-2007 13:49:35




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
I sure don't know that where a part is made has anything to do with quality these days. Part quality has to do with the company making it, what standards it's made to and the quality assurance standards it's subjected to before going to the consumer. I've seen junk U.S.-made parts several times.



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MSM

01-18-2007 13:33:08




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
If it was made here,figuring in the cost of labor and materials, the enviornmental laws,health insurance costs,product liability insurance,pensions etc. it would probably list for $500+.We have pretty much priced ourselves out of the market.



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Henry M

01-18-2007 12:53:56




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
folks, I think t just boils down to affordable labor being available in the ole us of a.

We are just not willing or just don't have to scrap like the ole days.

Just a fact of life.



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machinery-man

01-18-2007 11:47:25




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
What I find most upseting the trade imbalance. I have no problem with foreign imports if we have equal foreign exports. But alarming is a recent trip to Long Beach, California and they were unloading China shipping containers one every 30 seconds. I sure didn't see them loading US container to China. Recently at Rural King I saw a bushog duplicated almost identical to the Landpride bushog. Patent infringment is also on the table. I know this cannot be right.

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BDT in Minnesota

01-18-2007 07:41:29




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
Ya, and I'm aware that this is the tip of the iceberg...Chineese companies are getting their grip into our iron ore mines also..Japanese realestate firms have title on a good share of USA soil, Alot of Dutch money has been invested in the paper industry and food production industry..Lets not even mention the auto industry..Oh Ya,, not to mention that illegal immigrants can come here and collect social security and other freebees at our expense...In Minnesota, you can take a drivers test in about eight different languages..If you need; a translator will be furnished..(heck with being able to read the road signs) Well, the least we can do is be selective in our purchases(LOL)and be careful when we vote..We are a melting pot country, but I think the pot is boiling over a little..NAFTA is not my friend--My three cents worth-due to inflation

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DickD

01-18-2007 09:09:47




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to BDT in Minnesota, 01-18-2007 07:41:29  
The thing that rattles my cage is the fact that they are present at every machinery expo, pulling their carts, gathering every bit of AMERICAN state of the art ingenuity, and rushing it back to their country, where they incorporate it in their own equipment---patents be damned--- and ship it right back here for sale at a lesser price!!!



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OCB

01-18-2007 07:40:03




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
I'm surprised the environmentalist aren't on the band wagon about pollution. American companys has environmental laws to live by but developing countries can pollute and also reduce the cost also effecting the health of the cheap labor.
I know CH ina is getting harder to avoid but to protect the air quality of the western United States I say "AVOID BUYING FROM POLLUTING COUNTRIES AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR JOBS AND HEALTH."

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BDT in Minnesota

01-18-2007 08:07:45




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to OCB, 01-18-2007 07:40:03  
And so goes it for the "computer recycle program" I have seen pictures of some of the computers that have been shipped over to China to be recycled...The pictures showed several acres of computer boneyards where the junk was simply thrown out in the weeds to rot on it's own..Some fingers were being pointed as to who was responsible for the pollution..You can quess the rest



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Bob Gauntt

01-18-2007 07:33:22




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
I recently bought a pair of work boots with the notice on the box that this American boot company has been building boots since 1885. When I examined them at home I found a tag that stated " made in China ". They were the worst boot I ever had.



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machinery-man

01-18-2007 04:57:50




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
Giant American corporations like Deere have been exploiting cheap overseas labor for years. They don"t care about the customer just the profit spread from the cheap labor. There are still some good American made products but the markup is low and the mark up on the Chineesee is $$$$$$that"s why it"s pushed regardless if most do not meet any A.S.A. or industry standards. I doubt that the Chineese even know what that means. Try pursuing a product liability claim on some of that junk. While I"m not synical I realistically know that greed is driving these corporations not long term customer relations. Of course now Americans are more than willing to vote against their best interest. It"s the Walmart philosphy. That tach is junk because the one"s Deere sold from Mexico was junk.

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G/MAN

01-18-2007 07:44:28




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to machinery-man, 01-18-2007 04:57:50  
Yep, they're so unconcered with their customers that they still offer most of the parts you'll find on tractors they built 40+ years ago.



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Dirtjockey

01-18-2007 10:49:57




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2007 07:44:28  
Any company will keep making parts because its profitable. That is the the only reason you can buy these parts. NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE US.



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G/MAN

01-18-2007 13:47:57




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Dirtjockey, 01-18-2007 10:49:57  
I beg to differ when you look at some of the parts that are still available and what little sales volume some of them show. How many 4020 hoods do you think Deere sells in a year? There's nothing cheap or profitable about producing and stocking parts you only sell a few of per year, when the production and storage dollars could be put toward high-volume parts.



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Dirtjockey

01-19-2007 06:57:17




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2007 13:47:57  
But have you priced a 4020 hood? they can nearly get there money back on one sale. And it's not farmers who are buying these hoods. Most farmers I know would use the tractor with out a hood if that was the case. I would be very surprise that JD even made the hoods. Most likely an out sourced or even an import. They don't make any hoods now... Just like the company I work for Buy it from the little guy mark it up 250% and have a good day.

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BDT in Minnesota

01-18-2007 08:29:14




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2007 07:44:28  
The resale value of John Deere equipment speeks well in your defense..Parts and service are two key factors in any companies long life..Not only that, but John Deere has been using the same green and yellow paint sceme on their equipment for over eighty years..John Deere is an American tradition on many farms..I only wish that All their parts and equipment could be built in north america.



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polution made in China

01-18-2007 10:52:48




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to BDT in Minnesota, 01-18-2007 08:29:14  
last time I was in Oklahoma City it was polluted like I have never seen before. You could not see the sun. That pollution was tracked from China. Some of that polution was from making cheap JD parts



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G/MAN

01-18-2007 13:45:58




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to polution made in China, 01-18-2007 10:52:48  
Some of that pollution was probably from making half of the stuff you own.



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back at you

01-19-2007 06:59:40




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2007 13:45:58  
Most of the stuff you own. I try not to buy chinese because we only import the junk. The good stuff from china costs about as much as ours...Yes they do have way better quality too...



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E.B. Haymakin'

01-17-2007 20:20:11




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
I agree with JeffOliver. Nothing is made in USA ag equipment wise. Everything is made overseas, and assembled here. I just bought a brand new hay tedder, and all the American labeled units were @ $600 dollars higher-if they could be obtained by dealers. Bought a Sitrex 2 rotor 10'-made in ITALY. THe AMERICAN ones look just like mine, are probably built by the same company, labeled American, but cost more. MADE IN AMERICA-endangered species.

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Larry806

01-17-2007 20:14:35




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
Going over my combines this fall I found some roller chain that needed replaced. I went to the JD dealer & got them. First day only about 4 hours running the other combine driver called on the radio something's wrong. When I got over to him a chain ( new one ) had come apart & wrapped up in the shoe drive. 800.00 damage & 6 hours later we had that one running again. Took the other " new " chain off & you could wiggle it & remove the sides of the links off ! Took the chain & box that I found in small print made in china back to deere & dealer said they would replace the chain but not pay for any other damage. I'm pretty sure my next combine will be Red

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Diamond chain

01-18-2007 11:03:08




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Larry806, 01-17-2007 20:14:35  
Thats why I buy only Diamond MADE IN USA chain exclusively. yes it more expensive but so is my time and machinery. Plus it lasts twice as long. So in the end it really is not expense but cheaper.



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johns48jdb

01-18-2007 08:50:27




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Larry806, 01-17-2007 20:14:35  
don't you guess red stuff is using foreign made stuff too. in 5 to 10 years when americans are all out of work who is going to feed and cloth them? the chinese? just like when all the farmers are put out of business, i hope the politicians who are letting the gas companies rip us off can eat all that gas. i'd like to see them survive on that. they don't look down the road. all they are interested in is making a buck. if you have a million dollars and no farmers to grow your food it not going to do you any good.

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Pure Junk

01-17-2007 19:01:43




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to 1playfarmer, 01-17-2007 18:04:46  
The sign of the times. Americans love of junk. I have not bought anything with the made in china label that was worth keeping. Why are we trying to destroy this country? John deere is now even casting parts in china. Shame on John Deere.



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Jeff Oliver

01-17-2007 19:16:29




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Pure Junk, 01-17-2007 19:01:43  
I agree with the made in China thing but be realistic, John Deere has been casting and maing parts in other countries for years. We had a 5400 with a japanese or german engine,turkish rear axle and one part was built in mexico.

Heck we have three new pieces of equipment for hay work and they were made in Spain, France, and Mexico respectivly. There is nothing totally made in USA anymore. Assembled maybe but not made.

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leon

01-18-2007 03:37:50




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-17-2007 19:16:29  
5400 had French engine, Turkish rockshaft, German rear axles, Italian front axle, Japanese transmission, and assembled at Augusta, GA, USA. It was the most reliable tractor Deere was selling at the time it was being marketed new.



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G/MAN

01-18-2007 07:43:29




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to leon, 01-18-2007 03:37:50  
Now THAT'S funny. 5400s the most reliable when offered new? Sure, if you like putting in clutches.



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Mike M

01-18-2007 04:33:58




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to leon, 01-18-2007 03:37:50  
I'm betting the 790 and 990 are and were better as I think ? they are still made by Yanmar in Japan.



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Dirtjockey

01-18-2007 10:58:12




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 Re: MADE IN CHINA in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2007 04:33:58  
With there throw away engines! I think not. I have 2 cast off engines from Deere with the Yanmar name on them. The last was a 955 with the yanmar engine with 9 hours on it smoking blue. Bought it for scrap for a hundred bucks. Needed the alternator. No one would throw away a real deere engine.



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