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4020 won't go

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John Cooper

02-04-2007 13:31:43




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We have a 4020 that won't go; early symptoms were immediately after startup, it seemed that power steering and transmission were slow to get hydraulic pressure up; eventually, it would come on and work like it should. Now, it doesn't want to move at all(power steering doesn't work either). It has oil; we have cleaned or replaced all filters that we know about, including a screen that is about 1.25 " in diameter and about a foot long. Immediately after cleaning this screen, which wasn't really dirty, and replacing the oil in the transmission, it moved a few feet and then stopped. It seems to me that there is a valve of some sort stuck open, or something to prevent fluid from getting to the pump. There are no strange noises, metallic noises, cavitation, etc. that I can hear. If anyone has any ideas, I'd sure like to hear them. Thanks in advance.

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Tx Jim

02-06-2007 04:03:55




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-04-2007 13:31:43  
John,possibly dampner clutch is slipping. Check trans pump pressure as that's what powers a powershift while main hyd pump which powers steering,brakes and rockshaft etc.. I think trans pump should put out 175 psi. Tx Jim



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John Cooper

02-06-2007 05:45:52




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to Tx Jim, 02-06-2007 04:03:55  
Anybody want to comment on the value of the I&T aftermarket repair manuals?



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Gerald J.

02-06-2007 08:02:40




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-06-2007 05:45:52  
Better than flying blind, a little. Not as detailed as the real Deere shop manual. The I&T manual covers 3010, 3020, 4010, 4020, 4320, 4620, 5020, and 6030 in 80 pages or so. And thats two separate sections for old and and new '20s. The Deere shop manuals for just one version of 4010/4020 or 4020/4000 are 1500 pages each give or take. 1/4" thick vs 1-1/2". Your 4020 takes the TM-2039 if I recall correctly.

Test procedures in the I&T may have come from Deere and may have been invented by I&T.

I have both and I hardly ever look at the I&T when I have the real one to study.

Gerald J.

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John Cooper

02-05-2007 05:00:12




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-04-2007 13:31:43  
I think it is the "early series", if that helps. It does have powershift. We have had it a little over 30 years, and it wasn't new when we bought it. I can get a serial number and check with John Deere if that will help. Thanks for your response. On the second reply, there is no crud that looks like burned linings that I have seen.



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Gerald J.

02-05-2007 09:45:39




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-05-2007 05:00:12  
The SN break was at 201,000. The later tractors have the three point and SCVs on a console to the right of the seat and hydraulic outlets with the tortoise/rabbit symbols next to flow levers. The early tractors have the three point and scvs on the dash to the left of the steering wheel.

There is so little interchangable between the two vintages that they have distinct shop manuals and parts books.

There is a hand lever operated clutch, the cold start disconnect clutch for the Power Shift transmission. The "clutch pedal" only opens some valves to take hyraulic pressure off some clutches in the transmission for inching purposes.

The hydraulic pressure to run the PS comes from a pump in the transmission. That pump also feeds the front hydraulic pump through a small reservoir and check valve. You need two things for main hydraulics oil in the front reservoir and the transmission turning. If the cold start clutch isn't engaged you will run out of oil up front shortly. If the check valve is leaking and that is a very common problem you won't have steering when starting.

There is a fix for the check valve in a vintage Deere Service Information. Its not well known, so I have the information on in on a web page. It really fixed my gas 4020 with SR transmission. I can crank it after sitting over a couple months, and with the clutch still pushed lift up the loader before ever allowing the transmission to turn.

But if the transmission is turning, there should be oil to the front pump and pressure, so you could have a bad charge/transmission oil pump beecause without pressure from that transmission oil pump the PS transmission is not going to work. There some checks in the I&T manual to test that pump for flow and pressure.

Gerald J.

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Gerald J.

02-04-2007 16:34:34




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-04-2007 13:31:43  
What vintage 4020? There are two versions with very different hydraulics.

Power Shift?

Gerald J.



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msb

02-04-2007 13:53:35




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 Re: 4020 won't go in reply to John Cooper, 02-04-2007 13:31:43  
Doesn't sound good.Sounds like the brake linings have disintegrated.If the crud in the screen is black and hard, it is a sure sign that is the problem.Some of the cheap, off the shelf hydraulic oil will cause this to happen.



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