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John S-B

05-15-2007 11:41:39




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Well I finally own a green machine. I picked up a 214T baler this weekend and got it all cleaned up and lubed and put new rolls of twine in the box. When I cleaned it, I did find one chain idler sprocket that had worn thru the bushing and the post it spins on. I called the JD dealer for a price and the 4-5" sprocket was $80 bucks!! The post was discontinued also. I took the parts to the local machine shop and they said no problemo, about thirty bucks to fix both parts. I told them don't worry about putting the green paint on it 'cause I know that's where all the cost is. I'd used a 24T before, so I'm used to the JD balers. This one is very quiet compared to that old 24T. When I get some time this summer I want to put a better coat of paint on it and some new decals. I have pics over in the implement photo section. I would'nt be against a nice 3020 or something to pull it, but man that green paint is expensive! Guess I'll have to stick to red paint for a while.

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machinery-man

05-16-2007 04:01:15




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 11:41:39  
John Deere parts are overpriced and have drastically increased the last year or so...I'm green all the way and know. My ex local dealer is giving me some parts discount and my regular dealer discounts as they are under pressure from Deere to sell. I'm not going to write a book about this but if you've bought a lot of parts you get the feel for market. I'm not a stockholder but should have been. Personally the cost of parts has diminished my interest in future restoration, not to say any other color prices haven't increased. Seems like even with the high price a Mexico or Chineese part will be substituted. My "opinion" only.

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F-I-T

05-16-2007 05:38:18




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to machinery-man, 05-16-2007 04:01:15  
In 2000, I paid 88 cents a gallon for gas in Georgia, just across the line here from Tallahassee. Seven years later, it's $3.20. doesn't matter if it's BP, Shell, Speedway (Marathon) or a no name brand. The BP stuff is up, but so is the no name. Folks that always said BP was overpriced still say that, but if the no name brand used to be 2 cents lower than BP, and then the price went up 4 times, the differential should now be 8 cents....but it's 2 cents. So, the no name brand actually raised its prices to the consumer. Sound familiar?

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John S-B

05-15-2007 20:01:46




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 11:41:39  
Man! Some of you guys is touchy! If I had a bunch of shiny new green toys I'd be to happy to gripe. I like the green I've used, I just don't want to pay out the nose for a common part that I could have custom made for cheaper. Now if it's a odd or precision part I'd understand, But nobody likes paying premium $ for a simple part no matter what it's for.



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F-I-T

05-15-2007 20:33:47




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 20:01:46  
Ok, but understand that a lot of non-Deere owner/users stop by here about three times a week just to gripe about machines they don't buy/use/support most of the time.

Now, just so that I understand. Did you say the sprocket was new $80, and the post was discontinued, and the machine shop could rebush the sprocket and rebuild the post for $30? If so, that is nowhere close to saying that you could have the parts "made" for less money. Re-bushing a sprocket and welding up and grinding down a post is a far cry from fabricating them from scratch, and as an old machine shop hand I know what I'm talking about. Re-bush/weld up is an apple-n-oranges comparison. Tell me if I didn't understand, as the description was a little unclear.

If hire the shop to lay out that sprocket and index and mill all of the teeth and reliefs, bore it, put in some snap ring grooves, etc., and that machine shop will tell you that $80 is only a down payment. Examples like this are why I said, IMHO, the "JD Parts are overpriced" statement has not been accurate, at least in my expereience and that's going back some. Part by part, compared to availability brand between brands, it's all pretty equal. I think it's an urban legend, predicated upon one off situations, not looking over a few hundred examples. I can give you some examples of parts that I purchased during my last bumper to bumper refurbishment, which was a 70 Diesel, where the genuine part was less at Deere than through other sources, like say, NAPA on seals and bearings that crossed at my local Motion Industries.

Also, if you buy alot of parts, strike an agreement with your dealer for special pricing on shop service hours, as well as parts. I negotiate a sizable discount prior to my starting a big project, or a substantial work period since I might be working on more than one green machine, with discount levels based on the dollars that I've spent for the year. The more I spend, the bigger the discount I get. It gets indexed at specific breaks, $500/$1000/$1500/$2000/$2500 and up. On a 4440 that I restored after a nasty cab fire in 1981 cost $6,000 in parts in 1981 dollars, and I had a pricing agreement set up with the dealer and it worked out very well for me. He was sure of a chunk of parts business, and I knew that as the project cost more, I would get a bigger and bigger discount. The three different JD dealers that I have used pricing agreements with all told me that I was the first person that ever asked for a deal.

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John S-B

05-15-2007 21:34:23




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to F-I-T, 05-15-2007 20:33:47  
All it would take on this part is a any stock chain sprocket, at most weld on a collar and install a bushing. The post is 1" round stock welded to a flat piece about 3/16" thick with holes for bolts. Not really sure why they have this idler in the drive train as there is another sprocket on a tension spring. So as you can see not a precision part. No high stresses to take and not made of HSS. Held on by a cotter pin. Now if it was a part for the knotters where it's critical I'd understand. BTW, this is the chain idler sprocket under the pickup slip clutch.

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G/MAN

05-16-2007 07:38:57




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 21:34:23  
You're free to have one built if you so desire and can get it done cheaper. Of course it's not hard to understand why Deere gets what they do for it - they probably buy fairly small lots of that specific part as it fits a relatively old machine, and it's taking up inventory space that could be used for parts for much newer machines, and if they're dealing with small volume, they're probably not getting a great deal on them. It's a sure bet whatever outfit is making them for Deere is making good money on them, then Deere is receiving them, packaging them, inventorying them, storing them, etc.

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Fred XR 500R

05-15-2007 14:14:11




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 11:41:39  
Uh oh. You had to go and say "don"t worry about putting the green paint on it "cause I know that"s where all the cost is". Now GMAN is gonna tear into ya. Git em MR.dealer man(GMAN)



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John S-B

05-15-2007 15:10:10




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to Fred XR 500R, 05-15-2007 14:14:11  
Hey I own a genuine JD now so I can legally wear the hat and stir the pot! ;^)



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Fred XR 500R

05-15-2007 15:42:12




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to John S-B, 05-15-2007 15:10:10  
Yeah,ha,ha that"s the way I look at it too. I don"t know why some people get all up in arms about stuff like that.



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G/MAN

05-15-2007 15:48:11




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to Fred XR 500R, 05-15-2007 15:42:12  
Some people get "all up in arms" when others spread misinformation or even tell outright lies about things they know nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear how Deere dealers are selling parts for 15-20% over Deere list when Deere publishes their list prices on a website anyone can access and makes those parts available through dealer pickup. Come up with an answer yet?



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Mike M

05-16-2007 05:23:47




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to G/MAN, 05-15-2007 15:48:11  
Around here in Ohio it was common for the industrial JD dealers to tack on extra % on parts. Good thing was most of them could be ordered by the farm equipment dealer and you could save some money. The AG dealers seemed to all sell for the same list prices. And you can strike up deals with them on stock orders and special programs. I do get tired too of hearing about Deere's being way overpriced. I don't think those that say this have never really went around and priced different colors. Last year I priced a New compact tractor with loader and backhoe from Deere ,Kubota and New Holland and I was even suprised that Deere was cheapest and New Holland was the most. Kubota tractors are cheaper ,but their implements are really higher.

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Tx Jim

05-16-2007 04:24:18




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 dealer MSRP +10 in reply to G/MAN, 05-15-2007 15:48:11  
G/MAN,it's relatively simple to add 10% to MSRP in the age of the computer. JD dealer 10 miles from me does just that,dealer 30 miles from me sells parts at MSRP. I call the hand on local dealer and they sell to me at MSRP. But I'll bet "town farmers" don't so the dealer makes the 10% more. I worked for a JD dealer for over 20 years(managed a JD service center for 10 of the 20 yrs) and have been running JD equipment for 20 years so I know what I'm saying. Tx Jim

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cannonball

05-16-2007 04:18:54




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to G/MAN, 05-15-2007 15:48:11  
G/MAN the owner where i live EAST TEXAS has 4 stores and everything under 100 dollars has 10% markup added on it..they now have 10% showing on their site, and if you ask me how i know I'm signed up on another dealer and i get the 10% off at the 4 dealers, so yes dealers add what they want and Deere says they only have suggested price to sell the parts for... so green is still the apple in my dealers eyes haha

MAY GOD BLESS THE USA

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wilamayb

05-15-2007 18:36:37




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to G/MAN, 05-15-2007 15:48:11  
GMAN, Not to disagree there are people who blow the green paint thing a little out of range, but dealers are NOT required to sell for Deere list price (many dont know). As far as list price being available for everyone to see you are right, but if you notice you are required to select a store on Deere parts web site which shows dealer inventory as well as thier individual price. For the most part dealers do sell for SRP, but there are exceptions.

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G/MAN

05-16-2007 07:33:56




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to wilamayb, 05-15-2007 18:36:37  
I never said that Deere dealers were required to sell parts at Deere list. I said that not all dealers do, which was the statement that was made a week ago or more on a previous thread. Dealers that do charge more are generally pricing themselves out of sales, at least when it comes to big parts invoices, as most farmers don't have many qualms about traveling some to save $$$. The Deere dealer I previously worked for an the one I currently work for both charge(d) Deere list, as do must dealers I've come in contact with.

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Fred XR 500 R

05-15-2007 16:25:31




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to G/MAN, 05-15-2007 15:48:11  
GET OVER IT. I'm not even the one that came up with this so called 15-20% over. You need to go back to the topic and see who it was. When I need a JD part, 9 times out of 10 I get it from Deere. Misinformation is one thing, but you can't deny the high cost of Deere parts. You can go on and on like you did on that other topic, but it still won't convince most people why it is the way it is.
I aint sidin' with nobody. It has it's advantages and disadvantages. Personaly I like the fact that when you need a hard to get part, Deere will get it to you NOW. There I can see the higher price, but some things are just ridiculous. Some of the older stuff(for A's, B's etc.) the better of the two local dealers keep it in stock.

You say alot of research and development goes into their stuff, That's fine, but why charge us for it. that's their baby. I didn't ask for a million dollar design for a ROPS or whatever else. The problem is all of these friggin sue happy people out there. The way I grew up is you fell on your can, you got up, brushed yourself off, mumbled to yourself about being a dumb a##, and went on your way. Now a days you can get sued for your dandilions spreading to your neighbors lawn. People just need to get over being dumb, and quit suing for their retardedness. THAT'S why so much research goes into parts, for the legal reasons. On the cardboard of a fan belt is a warning telling you not to change with the engine running. WTF, you know somebody sued because of that or there wouldn't be a warning on it. Legal fees=higher parts prices. Simple as that!

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G/MAN

05-16-2007 07:30:03




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to Fred XR 500 R, 05-15-2007 16:25:31  
I know perfectly well who made that statement, and also know that you came rushing to his defense, thereby apparently agreeing with the statement. And of course it's also you that had to specifically mention my name in your reply on this thread, and stir the pot up again. Apparently you're the one that needs to "get over it". I considered the previous situation over and done with, until you couldn't resist the chance to spout off again to me by name on a thread that I hadn't replied to and didn't intend to reply to. Care to disagree with any of that?

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wilamayb

05-15-2007 19:15:50




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to Fred XR 500 R, 05-15-2007 16:25:31  
One more thought about why you should pay for R&D! What if you bought a new JD tractor (not that you ever would cause the paint is too high), but if you did and it hadnt been tested how would you feel? What would you say when it was a constant problem child?

I have a little insight on R&D as I am an engineer on a Deere remote test location. We test because we want our product to be supreme without blemish, and of course because we want it to be expensive when you buy parts from your dealer (that is out goal). When a machine is tested for durability as we test at my location the machines are completly dismembered when the test is finised to check for internal wear. Because Deere cares for the customer they will not sell these machines for fear that something will not be reassembled correctly. They would rather throw it in the trash than to sell a bad machine to a dissatisfied customer.

As far as overpriced parts..... how bout I just bought all the parts I need to rebuild the shifter on one of my 720 tractors for around $30.00. They are all still available! Go to a dealer of another color to find out how many internal parts are still available! If the unlikley case is that they are still available they wont be cheap!

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F-I-T

05-15-2007 18:51:24




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to Fred XR 500 R, 05-15-2007 16:25:31  
And I didn't ask JD to put the cost of R&D of baler parts into the cost of my lawm mower so you could have even cheaper parts, but they did. Here you are griping about the high cost of replacement parts for a machine that if it had a GM/Ford/Dodge/IBM label on it wouldn't even show up in their database.

As a stockholder, I thank you for your buisiness, and hope that you will continue to buy Genuine John Deere Parts.

I buy parts for a lot of different colors, and the "JD parts are overpriced" is wearing thin and really never was accurate, just easy to say. There are a lot of 40+ year old machines that are not obsolete because the company continues to source parts for them. That overhead had to go somewhere.

Buy what you like and like what you buy I say. Bitchin' about the cost of a parts for an old machine that you want to try and get by with so you can avoid the cost of a new machine is your problem, not mine.

If you can't afford to pay, then don't play. Simple as that.

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Rich Va

05-16-2007 05:37:01




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 Re: New JD owner in reply to F-I-T, 05-15-2007 18:51:24  
Right On Frank!!!



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