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70 Diesel injection pumps

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34deeregp

05-27-2007 20:10:25




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I have a 70 diesel with Scintilla injectors and pumps. I am wanting to have work done to them and from looking at past messages on the discussion board Renaissance Tractors and 2-cyclinder salvage seem to be the most reliable. Anyone had recent dealings with either of these two places. I will need modifications to both the pumps and injectors.




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mb ohio

05-30-2007 15:26:39




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-27-2007 20:10:25  
to be or not to be.10 mm pump or 13 mm?no one really comitted.



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GPULLER

05-29-2007 08:13:12




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-27-2007 20:10:25  
If your looking for more fuel, your best bet is to find a set of 13mm pumps from a 720/730. I also recommend Garry Power in Texas. Garry has larger injector tips available and can custom build pumps for more fuel delivery. My 720 has Garry's injectors and fuel pumps. He can also test and calibrate your stock system too.
If you have any questions drop me an email.



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F-I-T

05-28-2007 05:03:28




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-27-2007 20:10:25  
I had my injectors, pumps, and transfer pump rebuilt by Albert at Renaissance Tractor. He did a great job. He helpd me a great deal during my 70D project, and when it came time to have the pumps rebuilt, I chose Renaissance. Everything was fixed quick, packaged right, and went back together fine. With just a bleeding it was off and running, and has been for several years now. I do have a dyno, and it is spot on stock output, no smoke. Having the pumps rebuilt to stock should give you a stock tractor, nothing more. You don't need a rebuild to turn up the fuel, as you can do a that anytime you want. I can turn it up and waste fuel, but I prefer to keep it as efficient as I can, as it has more power than I need for my chores.

On going to 13mm pumps and injectors, that will give you more power, but I think most places recommend that you also install the newer style 730 pistons (those are all you can get these dys) which will have a different cup in the piston to maximize the swirl pattern of the nozzles. I'm not sure that only 13 mm pumps and injectors give you as much effect as you would think if their nozzles are not fitted to the piston swirl.

Send your pumps out bolted to the pump bracket so that whoever works them over synchronizes them correctly.

Frank

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720 in pa

05-28-2007 03:47:34




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-27-2007 20:10:25  
i would actually reccomend Garry Power in texas.he redid my injectors and calibrated the pumps for my 720.boy does it run.i have yet to dyno it,but i know i will be happy with the results.email me if you want his phone number.he is reasonable and helpful



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buickanddeere

05-27-2007 20:45:21




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-27-2007 20:10:25  
Find a set of 13mm pumps from a 720/730 and use/rebuild them. May as well update from the 10mm when you have it apart.



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34deeregp

05-28-2007 06:23:23




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to buickanddeere, 05-27-2007 20:45:21  
I was under the impression the 10mm pumps could be machined or altered to be 13mm pumps. Am I wrong about that?



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buickanddeere

05-28-2007 07:59:50




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 Re: 70 Diesel injection pumps in reply to 34deeregp, 05-28-2007 06:23:23  
It's not worth the expense to perform the intricate machining to bore a 10mm into a 13mm. The primary idea behind the 13mm pumps vs. 10mm is shorter fuel delivery time. All considering a 70 set up with 10mm and a 720/730 with 13mm. Both engines injecting the exact same amount of fuel per injection event. The 720/730 will make a wee bit more power on the same amount of fuel. The 13mm improves combustion efficiency and mechanical efficiency. The 13mm finishes injecting the fuel over a shorter time frame, with the piston higher in the bore. Combustion takes place with less combustion chamber wall area to absorb the heat. The engine can convert the combustion pressure into crankshaft torque #1 more efficiently with the piston higher in the bore with a straighter connecting rod. #2 Peak cylinder pressure is higher than with the longer/later combustion with 10mm pumps = more torque. #3 There is more time between combustion and the opening of the exhaust valve. This increases mechanical efficiency. Via the combustion chamber pressure having a longer time to push on the crank. The larger injector tips were to allow the higher flow rate but this flow rate occurs over a shorter period of time. So net fuel injected is the same. Of course a 13mm pump and larger injector tips can deliver more fuel if the rack is cranked out. Deere did nudge total delivery volume up with the 720/730. The cylinder heads flowed better to allow more fuel to be burned without smoke. And the engineers had left themselves some room on the 70 to make more HP with the improved 720/730. The oversize/limited rack trick is used on Detroit Diesel two strokes sometimes. For instance a C70 injector maybe installed where a S50 is speced. The C70 max rack travel is adjusted back to allow only the same fuel flow per stroke as the S50. The C70 is done squirting the same amount of fuel where the S50 is still drizzling away.

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