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'37 A clutch side oil leak

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Jim in SW Virgi

05-29-2007 18:30:07




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I have a '37 JD A with a terrible oil leak behind the clutch pulley. I have had it apart twice and tried a couple of things, but the leak is worse I think. I have made sure the dust shield is sealed well against the block with silicone. I have even siliconed up the lower "funnel" part to stop the leak. This was at the suggestion of a local JD mechanic. He could really see nothing wrong with the dust shield or anything else designed to stop the "slung" oil from pouring out. I am at a loss for what to do. How can this much oil be even in this area? When I drive it, it slings oil all over me and the side of the hood. Please help!!!!! I want to drive this tractor in parades and it is not parade ready like this.

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Peavy Tx

06-01-2007 11:43:49




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Jim in SW Virginia, 05-29-2007 18:30:07  
Jim I assume the dust cover on the A is the same as the B. WHen you pull the oil slinger out the cover has a lip that encircles the slinger with about 18 inch clearance. Inside this lip and toward the housing is another lip about 316 inch from the first one. between these lips is where I put the felt. My first few trys to put the slimger back in the felt was too far out and I had to push it in more with the screwdriver. I wanted the slinger to go in tight but not tight enough to damage felt. By the way My cover is riveted to the housing making it a pain to get the felt in. Sounds like yours is bolted on which may make it easier to work with. Peavy

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Peavy Tx

05-30-2007 19:59:41




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Jim in SW Virginia, 05-29-2007 18:30:07  
Jim
I had the same problem on My 38 B.It would sling oil on the left side of the tractor and on Me. None of My manuals showed any type rubber or felt seals,but when talking to an old timer at a show He told Me there should be a felt seal in the grove in the dust cover.I couldn't find any felt so I bought a felt saddle pad from TSC that was 4 layers of felt about 1\4 inch thick glued together. I separated the layers and cut a strip 3\4 inch wide and 3 feet long then packed it in the dust cover with a screwdriver all the way around and cut of the excess. Left felt sticking out about 1\8 inch and oil slinger slid in snug. Don't know if this was the proper fix but it doesn't leak anymore. Peavy

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Jim again

05-31-2007 16:31:54




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Peavy Tx, 05-30-2007 19:59:41  
Thanks Peavy! That sounds like a possible solution. Your right, no manuals show any seal in this area except the dust cover shield seal to the transmission case. Where exactly did you place the felt? Was it between the dust cover shield and the transmission housing? You left the seal a little larger than needed so when you slid the clutch pulley assembly back into place, the felt actually snugged up the assembly. Is this right? Thanks again...Jim

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Lee B

05-30-2007 17:41:40




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Jim in SW Virginia, 05-29-2007 18:30:07  
Jim, that much oil can only get in there when you idle for long periods of time with the clutch dis-engaged. QUIT DOING THAT!

Instead, do what all the old timers do when they know that they are going to be idling for more than 30 seconds. They put the transmission in neutral, set the brakes and ENGAGE the clutch so that the pulley turns which brings the slung off, right main bearing oil back into the engine properly. Otherwise that oil just starts to collect in the first gear cover case and as soon as you take off, all that oil tries to get out via the clutch making for a "terrible oil leak behind the clutch pulley".

The return hole is hardly 1/2 inch in diameter. You just can't get 2 gallons of oil thru a 1/2 inch hole very quickly at all. Here's hoping your silicone didn't plug the only return hole...

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Jim in SW Virginia

05-30-2007 18:58:05




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Lee B, 05-30-2007 17:41:40  
Thanks for the suggestions. Where is this 1/2 drain back hole exactly? That sounds like what might be stopped up. I am not in the habit of idling the tractor without engaging the clutch. The tractor started slinging out oil almost as soon as I started it up and got worse as it warmed up. Thanks again....Jim



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F-I-T

05-30-2007 08:27:00




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to Jim in SW Virginia, 05-29-2007 18:30:07  
Jim:

I have not been into an early "A" for a long, long time, so my suggestions might not be worth a dang, but here is what I would do if I were you.

There is supposed to be a drain hole or holes for the engine oil over-flow to make it's way back to the crankcase. I also do not like to use RTV (silicone) sealer internally as it can break off or string and that stuff will almost certainly clog a drain back passage. I often find it settled around th eoil pump screen. I would remove the pulley, drain the engine oil, place a bucket underneath the drain and pour that oil into the first recudtion gear cavity and watch how far up it fills, what plenum it spills over, and where it should and if it does drain back. If it continues to hold oil all the way up to the pulley opening, you have something plugged, OR you have a right hand main bearing that is spilling a ton of oil in there, so much that it can't drain back fast enough.

Pulleys can also leak if you idle the engine at too slow a speed for a prolonged period as the slinging only takes place when the pulley is in motion, and it's most effective when the engine speed is fairly high. Also, the bushing in the pulley needs to be set as close to spec as possible to tighten up any remaining gap between the crank and the pulley bushing bore. I generally put sealer inside the bushing bore, then install a new bushing so that nothing can work its way around the bushing and into the pulley.

But, since you say it is slinging it, it sounds as though the oil level is just too darn high behind the pulley in the first reductuon cover.

My two cents.

Frank

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Jim in SW Virginia

05-30-2007 19:05:26




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 Re: '37 A clutch side oil leak in reply to F-I-T, 05-30-2007 08:27:00  
Thank you Frank! I think the main bearing/bushing is wore a fair amount, but not worth replacing yet. I think I do have something plugged. Do you know where the drain back hole is located? Which bushing are you talking about in the pulley. Is it the brass bushing inside the pulley/gear that comes out? I am not properly schooled in these mechanics yet. I think you are right in that the oil level is just too high in the housing for the first reduction gear. Thank you again for the suggestions....Jim

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