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hand starting a 720 diesel...

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jimtnv

07-01-2007 19:57:28




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...the thought makes me cringe if there were no pony or electric starting on this tractor. what a brute.

How do i reset the overrunning clutch in the pony system. It seems to be binding and the clutch won't disengage. it was a scary thing when i turned the pony engine off and it still kept "running" when the diesel was idling.




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F-I-T

07-01-2007 20:17:30




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 Re: hand starting a 720 diesel... in reply to jimtnv, 07-01-2007 19:57:28  
I am a bit confused. The O-R clutch is only there to "absorb" the rapid increase in speed and let the flywheel spin the pinion forward at the diesel's idle speed, which is two to three times faster than the pony is running when at high speed. Once the diesel is running you disengage the pony drive pinion from the ring gear using the lever in the opposite direction that you used to engage it. If the O-R clutch has eaten a roller or gobbled a spring, it could be jammed, and that is an internal repair in the pony transmission. I doubt that you can turn the pinion backwards and get it to release and then function normally. Even if the O-R clutch is stuck, to get the pinion disengaged from the flywheel ring gear is the product of moving that lever in the oppoaite direction of engagement, not the O-R clutch. It sounds like you have two different problems: a stuck O-R clutch AND a pinion linkage that is not retracting the pinion when the lever comes back. Maybe even a third problem in that the pony cltuch doesn't sound like it disengaged properly, which again points to a mis-adjusted linkage.

If you had a run away, I would STOP! Then go through the explanation and adjustment procedures in your book pertaining to the pony linkage adjustments. And plan on pulling the pony so you can get to the pony transmission. It only requires on gasket, a couple of bushings, and two bearings to totally overhaul it. The O-R clutch has some interesting problems, but they can generally be made to work well with just some new rollers, springs, caps, and a bit of home shop "machining" on the star driver ramps.

If you don't fix it now, that pony will explode.

Frank

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jimtnv

07-01-2007 20:30:32




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 Re: hand starting a 720 diesel... in reply to F-I-T, 07-01-2007 20:17:30  
thank you frank.

It was only about 15 seconds that these events occured. I pulled the decompression lever back and killed the diesel fast.

As for all the terminology with the O-R and other stuff, I have to say that reading the service manual is getting rather confusing, but what the heck. I can get it figured out eventually

Awfully lucky i didn't seem to break anything else. No smoke or bad sounds, just a stuck clutch, and it is a SOLID feeling clutch (it is rock solid when i try to get it back) I bet you were right, a bearing went out in it or something.

Ill study the manual and then get ready to rip it all to pieces so that i never get it back together. Just kidding. have a good day.

jim

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F-I-T

07-01-2007 20:53:43




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 Re: hand starting a 720 diesel... in reply to jimtnv, 07-01-2007 20:30:32  
So, even when you disengaged the pony pinion linkage, it continued to up spin the pony? That should be able to be cured with a clutch adjustment. Get that fixed so that it works properly by cranking the diesel with no fuel. That way it won't start and risk an up spin. But, since it seems to have a O-R problem as well, you'll have to R&R the pony transmission to do the O-R clutch. I would replace the brake pad while there, and when I am that close to the pony clutch linings, I rivet a new set of those in, too. Small change when you are already in there. Then re-set the clutch using the method in the book so that all three dogs are equal depth.

Frank

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