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Type E Stationary

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Danno

08-07-2007 16:05:59




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don't know if this is appropriate for a tractor forum, but I have to share my amazement with some other people.

My grandpa died several years ago, must have been just over 4 now. He had an old Type E that NEVER ran as long as I can remember (I'm only 30, though).

This morning I pulled it out of the shed and made a couple of cranks on it to hear compression and see if it would turn. Sounded good and you have to start these projects somewhere. Drained the old gas out. It had a lot of oil in it, but there was no oil in the oil reservoir. I put some oil and gas in and drained it again. I refilled. I cranked on it slowly, it moved very smoothly, sounded good, spat some gas out the intake, but nothing really happened.

Second attempt to start was aided with a quick spray of starting fluid. It RAN!!!! Puttered for a few seconds, I had my cell phone there so I did it again and recorded the moment! it just would start and then die after about 10 seconds.

I closed the choke a little and cranked again and then it started right up after a couple cranks, I messed with the choke, the gas, etc, it runs! I called dad and made him listen to it. I took some more video.

I don't know if it can run better, I'll fiddle with it. These things are beyond my current knowledge. I didn't know where the oil or gas went until I smelled things, I even looked for a sparkplug when I started, silly me.

I cannot say with 100% confidence that grandpa didn't have it going in his last days, but it was a long fight with cancer that took him. He didn't mention this feat to anyone, and I would have thought he would have to me, he gave me updates on the old JD A and B all the time. The engine came from my great uncle if I have my facts right, he died before I was born (74) I think I remember grandpa saying it hadn't run as long as he (grandpa) had owned it.

I do remember grandpa saying there was a crack or gasket problem, i think something about oil, I'm guessing this might be the problem with the oil in the gas and no oil in the engine.

Anyway, be it 5 or 6 years since it ran last (I just don't see him getting that thing going and not saying a word to anyone) or whether it's going after 33+years (as crazy as it sounds, I think it just happened!!!) I just can't express how excited I am. I thought I was looking at months of restoration and fiddling and expensive part hunting, I got about 15 minutes of fiddling!!!!

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Danno

08-08-2007 18:19:27




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 Re: Type E Stationary in reply to Danno, 08-07-2007 16:05:59  
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my next question is about the hand-cart it is on. I have parts for what appears to be another cart, anybody know if the one on it is original? the other one could be to some completely different engine...

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then I have this half of a cart....

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Danno

08-08-2007 17:26:31




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 Re: Type E Stationary in reply to Danno, 08-07-2007 16:05:59  
thanks for the replies. I am thinking there is some sort of oil leak into the gas, because when I went back to the engine later in the day to show my father and son it smoked so badly! I'll have to do some work to it for sure, but i'm just glad that it seems it might be easier than I thought.

here's a link to its first run (well, maybe third)

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here's a guy with a Type E, the SN he lists is about 300 off of mine, so I bet mine is a 1941 as well... His runs wayyyy better if you watch the video at the bottom of his page....

http://www.wheatfarm.com/jd_engine/index.html

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Duane Larson

08-07-2007 20:10:28




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 Re: Type E Stationary in reply to Danno, 08-07-2007 16:05:59  
Danno,
Neat find! There is a metal plate which serves as the bottom of the oil reservoir and the top of the gas tank. If you remove the crankcase cover you will see the plate. It is common to have the plate develop rust holes and the oil drip down into the gas tank. If your oil disappears again, and the gas looks oily, that would likely be your problem. Mitch Malcolm at Lightening Magneto in MN sells lots of parts for the E - phone 218-367-2819, email mitchmalcolm@hotmail.com. Or, if you're on the east coast, Bill Starkey at Starbolt in MD, 301-874-2821, should have the plate.

The engines were made in 3 sizes, 1 1/2, 3, and 6 hp, and the size is on the side plate below the magneto. You'll need to know that. Gasket sets are also available.

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Mike M

08-07-2007 16:20:08




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 Re: Type E Stationary in reply to Danno, 08-07-2007 16:05:59  
I'm not up on those either, but I think the gas tank is in the bottom and also serves as the oil pan. You can get those parts. Try a search for hit and miss enterprises in Orwell Ohio Ed Deiss ? (sp?) I think is the place and guy. There may be others.



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