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60 wiring with negative ground

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jeremy in NE

08-17-2007 16:35:09




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I am sure that this has been posted, but I spent the last hour reading posts and could not find the information needed. I have a row crop model 60 gas (6032559) with a negative ground. The VR is a 4 terminal. How do I wire the generator and VR. Also how would I polarize it to be right. Why did people switch these to negative ground. Thanks for any help.




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switchmaker

08-18-2007 16:42:41




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to jeremy in NE, 08-17-2007 16:35:09  
Never seen a 2 cyl. with Neg. ground stock.



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John T

08-17-2007 21:06:14




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to jeremy in NE, 08-17-2007 16:35:09  
You gotta first decide if you wanna go with the standard original POSITIVE or the cobbled up Negative ground cuz if done right she can still work n charge regardless PROVIDED the VR is compatible with negative ground (many ar bi polar n work either way some may not or may not last as long)

It can work with EITHER a 3 terminal (BAT ARM FLD) or a 4 terminal (BAT ARM FLD LOAD) VR regardless how it was originally i.e. they can be interchanged with a few minor wiring modifications

WIRING A 4 TERMINAL VR

Note, on most the LOAD BAT and FLD are all side by side while the ARM terminal is off on one side or the bottom all by itself..... .

ARM on VR to gennys ARM post FLD on VR to gennys FLD post BAT on VR up to the Load (NOT battery/starter) side of ammeter LOAD on VR supplies hot battery voltage to loads like lights n ignition via a wire to the BAT input terminal on the switch.

NOTE on a 3 wire VR system, those same loads are served from the Load side of the ammeter, the same terminal where BAT on the VR is wired to. If you change from a 3 to a 4 terminal VR simply rewire the switches BAT input down to the VR's LOAD terminal, although they will still work if you dont use LOAD on the VR and leave loads fed instead off the ammeter like on the 3 terminal VR system. Tractors with original 4 terminal VR wiring have that extra wire from the dash (BAT switch terminal) down to the VR's LOAD terminal unlike 3 terminal VR systems with ONLY the wire from the ammeters load terminal down to BAT on the VR.

Once wired n BEFORE starting Polarize by momentarily flash jumping a wire from BAT on VR to the Gennsy ARM post or the VR's ARM terminal if you can get to it.

The coil and ammeter are polarity sensitive so if you change polarity from original the ammeter leads need swapped or it reads bass ackwards.

The Ignition Coil polarity should match the battery i.e. if at neg ground the coils lil - goes to distributor but if at Pos ground its lil + goes to distributor.

John T

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Duane Larson

08-17-2007 18:10:29




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to jeremy in NE, 08-17-2007 16:35:09  
jeremy,
All two-cylinder Deere's came from the factory with the positive side of the battery grounded. As for the 60, it went from a 3-brush generator to a 2-brush generator at s/n 6030000. Assuming you have the correct generator on your tractor (DR 1100309), it should have a fan as part of the pulley assembly, and it would have used a 3-terminal regulator (1118783 or 1118792). Since you have a 4-terminal regulator, something has been changed, but is not a particular problem.

If you search for CLOONEY JD50 GENERATOR WIRING you will get a nice detailed process provided by Clooney and John T for wiring a 50, which should be very close to your 60. It's at least worth reading.

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Fred from MO

08-17-2007 17:13:34




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to jeremy in NE, 08-17-2007 16:35:09  
They were always neg ground from the factory I believe.



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95CS

08-17-2007 19:03:44




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to Fred from MO, 08-17-2007 17:13:34  
EVERY two-cylinder tractor with an electrical system was POSITIVE ground from the factory!!!



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John T

08-17-2007 21:08:41




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to 95CS, 08-17-2007 19:03:44  
CORRECT ..... ..... ..NOT ONLY were alllll lllll l two cylinder tractors shipped from thE factory at POSITIVE GROUND but most New Generation still used Pos ground until they went to alternators.

John T



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820Art

08-17-2007 17:52:05




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to Fred from MO, 08-17-2007 17:13:34  
not mine



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switchmaker

08-18-2007 16:44:03




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to 820Art, 08-17-2007 17:52:05  
BS



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buickanddeere

08-18-2007 22:03:13




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 Re: 60 wiring with negative ground in reply to switchmaker, 08-18-2007 16:44:03  
Only pre "console" JD with a generator that was (-) chassis were the garden tractors model 110 & 140. Everything else was + chassis until 1969 when alternators were used.



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