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4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema

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Joe in IN

10-26-2007 18:14:22




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Choices:

JD4010 D NF synchro, used to have Turbo now does not. $4.5K

JD 4020 G WFE, powershift $6K

or for $1200 more

JD 4020 G WFE , synchro with Loader($7.2K)

I cut about 20 acres of hay with 14 Ft JD1600 and use 327 baler. I am a flat grounder(no hills) in Indiana(Thus NF won't hurt me though would rather have WFE).

If it makes a difference I have a fuel(diesel) tank. Could that be emptied and switched to gas? I currently have 3010D.

$7200 is about as much as I want to swing right now. My preference is 4020D WFE Powershift, but funds are limiting factor. Load is always handy for moving snow and in the future get an accumulator system.....

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NW MO Poppers

10-28-2007 12:19:03




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 18:14:22  
buy the diesel. you'll be happier in the end. wide fronts and loaders can easily be added later.



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buickanddeere

10-27-2007 17:55:55




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 18:14:22  
With any of these tractors you will have to allow for several thousand more in parts alone over the next few years. Thousands more for labour for some shop only jobs. And the cost of lost production when your tractor is down. I've tried enough times to save $$$ on used equipment. And ended up spending the price of new equipment over the next 10 years and be left with only very old equipment worth very little. Take the money you have and use it for a down payment on something new or 1-2 years old with warranty.

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low budget

10-28-2007 18:49:15




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to buickanddeere, 10-27-2007 17:55:55  
I can have 3 4020s for less than the price of 1 new tractor. (And in fact I do.) Can have 1 broke down at any time waiting for me, not a dealer, to fix it and still have 2 to use. Granted this is not the answer for everyone but for me its the way to go. The last one I bought last fall for $7000, early model diesel with dual remotes and an M&W turbo, has 12000 hrs on it transmission and hydraulics work perfect,starts good, uses a quart of oil about every 30 hrs. My advice, if the 4010 diesel seems in good shape , get it. $4500 wont buy much more tractor even if you go to a "cheaper" color.

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Gerald J.

10-28-2007 10:07:52




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to buickanddeere, 10-27-2007 17:55:55  
And for the $50K B&D's favorite would cost (being ten times the peak gross on my farm) I could buy at least half a dozen 4020 and use even a worn out one the 20 or 30 hours a year I need for years discarding it when it finally won't run. And in the process I'd have a chance of making a profit. But I'd have a devil of a time turning a profit with the albatross of a $50K tractor on the farm.

Furthermore, if I didn't scrap out each 4020, I might just sell it ten years later for more than I paid for it, INCLUDING repairs. That new tractor probably won't run for 40 years or appreciate in price after 30 years.

Yah, a gas 4020 will need a tuneup occasionally. $40 bucks for everything. Diesel tune up $80 an injector $500 for the injection pump, buys a lifetime of plugs, points, condensers, rotors, and wires.

Gerald J.

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Gerald J.

10-26-2007 21:09:36




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 18:14:22  
I run a 4020 gas. When I bought it a similar condition diesel was about $4000 more and that difference in price pays for lots of gas. At least a decade of gas for me.

The 4010 may have a smaller engine and drive train, and never was available with power shift. The side console 4020 is the most prized and will often bring a price more than double the price for a working 4010.

I also am sure I know how to tune a gas engine and while a diesel doesn't need tuning nearly as often, injectors and a pump rebuild build will buy lots of gasoline. And the pumps in vintage 4010 and 4020, if they haven't been rebuilt, will probably start shedding parts of the plastic governor ring which stops up the fuel return line and when the ring fails completely the engine may overspeed seriously.

I also keep a MF-135 for lighter tasks around the place and it runs all day planting or mowing on 1/4 the fuel the 4020 takes.

Now there are good and there are bad 4010/4020. Its a popular tractor, been popular ever since it came out and the serial numbers pass 250,000 which may hint at that many made. So there are parts all over, both new and used. But there are tractors that are worn way down and those can be a money sink keeping them running. There are also tractors with similar time ages that have never been worked hard and will keep on working for another 40 years. You have to judge the individual.

The later 4020 with side console also doesn't have the sometimes troublesome crankcase ventilation pump and the left hand operated hydraulic remotes with the cables that can rust fast (three point the same way) and there possibly can be three remotes on the side console 4020 and those remote designs stayed the same for decades.

The PTO stub shaft on the 4010 is not as strong or as stable as the PTO stub shaft on the 4020 and when changing the stub shaft on the 4010 if some finesse is not appied its possible to tear up the PTO speed shifting requiring a tranmission split to be fixed.

Gerald

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Doug in IL

10-27-2007 08:02:59




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Gerald J., 10-26-2007 21:09:36  
There are no cables used in the operation of the dash mounted remote valves.



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Gerald J.

10-27-2007 12:27:20




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Doug in IL, 10-27-2007 08:02:59  
True, but there's one that rusts fast on the three point. Been there, already replaced it.

Gerald J.



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Dairy farmer in WI

10-26-2007 19:53:58




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 18:14:22  
I would personally go with the 4010 Diesel because the 4020 gassers are terrible on gas. yeah they may have widefronts and all but it ain't that hard to put a W/f on a 4010. but you saying that the 4010 HAD a turbo might be a red flag. ask more questions about it. mainly the rear-end can go bad on them if they added too much horse. you said you would like to ahve a loader. now i'd say buy the 4010, add a W/F, and in time, save the money you didn't spend on the tractor and invest in a good JD 148 or 48 loader.
it's totaly up to you but just a warning: the 4020 gas has a big tank fer a reason!. it's up to you and what you are willing to spend
just my 2 cents worth
DF in WI
(P.S. i have a 4010 diesel with a W/F and love it! does every smaller job that i need it to such as cut, bale and even rake hay. good haybine tractor!)

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Darin IN

10-26-2007 18:31:11




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 Re: 4010/4020 Tractor Purchase dilema in reply to Joe in IN, 10-26-2007 18:14:22  
Joe: I'm not answering your question, but I saw a dealer in last week's Auto-RV that had 4 similar tractors that were 4010 or 4020s in a similar price range. 4020D NF $7.5k, 4020G PS WF $7.5K, 4010D WF $5.5k, 4020D WF $6.5K. Mike Rinker Farm Equipment 765-748-1200 south of Redkey Indiana.



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