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Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s)

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AWB

11-01-2007 17:11:13




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Does anyone out there have a sparkplug cross reference chart that covers the sparkplugs used in antique tractors. Some of the older sparkplug numbers are discontinued and sometimes it is very difficult to find a plug that will cross reference with them. Thanks.




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Bob M

11-02-2007 06:48:08




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to AWB, 11-01-2007 17:11:13  
I've found the chart at the link below helpful...



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Bill46

11-02-2007 13:31:10




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to Bob M, 11-02-2007 06:48:08  
Thanks Bob...been searching for such a chart...wonderful....
Now maybe I can make that 50 start better when cold.



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wilamayb

11-03-2007 07:08:28




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to Bill46, 11-02-2007 13:31:10  
Fellas... I hate to break it to you, but a hotter plug will not change how your tractor starts. The number on the plug represents the heat range of the actual electrode. The reason for a hotter electrode is to keep the plug burned off. An engine in normal operation should not need a hot plug. Engines needing a hot plug are those that burn oil or build up carbon from excessive idle time.

If you want your tactor to start good in the winter you should get your spark up to snuff with new correct ignition parts and figure out how your tractor likes the choke/throttle set when it is cold. I've found that my tractors idle better in the winter if I open up the idle needle a little more than normal to richen the mixture. Also make sure your starter is performing as it should. A 50 should spin over pretty fast with a good starter motor on 12V.

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Bill46

11-05-2007 04:36:29




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to wilamayb, 11-03-2007 07:08:28  
I qgree with you for the most of what you said.
It does not have to be winter...anytime it has not run for a day it starts hard.
Last time I looked at the plugs and they were wet...flooded. Screwed in a new set of plugs and it fired right off.
I have tried rebuilding the carb, replacing the carb...all to no avail. It just flat starts hard.
Put in points, cond, rotor, cap, wires...same thing. Maybe it just needs a new starter...it does crank slow....

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John Van Valkenburgh

11-03-2007 02:41:22




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to Bill46, 11-02-2007 13:31:10  
Bill,

I"ve had real good luck with Champion D23s in my old 50. Real good about cold starting.

John
1953 Model 50



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AWB

11-02-2007 08:08:17




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to Bob M, 11-02-2007 06:48:08  
Bob M: Thank you for the sparkplug cross reference chart.



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Duane Larson

11-01-2007 19:02:54




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to AWB, 11-01-2007 17:11:13  
AWB,
I can likely cross reference any of the more common old plugs to a modern equivalent as I have a collection of old application charts. You should be aware that in most cases several old plug numbers are now collapsed into one plug - the one size fits all philosophy. The other approach, which I favor, is to attempt to locate NOS plugs which were called for. I gave a talk on spark plugs at the 2002 Gathering of the Green conference in which I identified what plugs were in Deere tractors when they came from the factory, by model and year. Finally, the Spark Plug Collectors of America are working on bringing up a website with much application information and conversion information on it, but it's not ready yet.

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AWB

11-02-2007 08:06:15




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to Duane Larson, 11-01-2007 19:02:54  
Duane Larson: Thank you for the spark plug information. Can you cross reference an autolite 437? Having problems with the Champion H-12 plugs in my John Deere LA Tractor..big fouling out problem. I have investigated the various mag and carb problems and it seems to come back to a sparkplug problem. Thanks.



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Duane Larson

11-02-2007 19:49:42




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to AWB, 11-02-2007 08:06:15  

AWB,
I'm away from home now at the National Farm Toy Show, so can't help right now. I'll be home early next week so check for a response then. The page with the spark plug interchange is mostly useful, but I prefer not to use resistor plugs in magneto systems, and that reference sometimes lists resistor plugs as a replacement for non-resistor plugs - eg - Autolite 388 for Champion D23. I think the manufacturers who do these lists assume all ignition systems are distributor systems, where the resistor/non-resistor issue may not be as important.

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John T

11-02-2007 08:31:45




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to AWB, 11-02-2007 08:06:15  
AWB, Until Duane arrives (Hes THE MAN on Spark Plugs, take his advice) its my humble opinion its NOT so much what brand you choose BUT THE HEAT RANGE that can help reduce fouling and Im sure Duance can advise you on which make n model plug has a higher heat rating but still compatible for use in your tractor. Then theres the old trick of adding an extra plug washer to raise their temperature.

That all being said are you using any sort of radiator air flow restriction or other temperature control devices TO GET N KEEP THE TEMPERATURE UP cuz that can help reduce fouling.

Youre not running the carb and richer then necessary are you?? (any black smoke out the stack)

Have you checked the air cleaner and any air piping and choke butterfly (stays full open) to insure good inlet air flow with no restrictions??

Does your ignition produce a good visible blue spark as opposed to a faint thin wimpy yellow one?? Cuz a weak saprk contributes to plug fouling. Id use wire core NOT carbon core suppressor type plug wires cuz you dont wanna waste any precious spark gap energy as heat in the plug wires.

Check that stuff out n do as Duane advises on plug choice and maybe try Bob M's posted conversion chart for plugs n see if things improve. BUTTTTT TT Id suspect a weak spark or youre not running up to temperature or the carbs too rich or shes an oil burner BEFORE I thought any different spark plug was gonna suddenly cure the problem..... ..... ....

Take care, see what plug Duane recommends

John T

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AWB

11-02-2007 17:15:13




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 Re: Sparkplug Cross Reference chart (s) in reply to John T, 11-02-2007 08:31:45  
John T: Thanks for the information on the plug fouling problem. I will check out each of your suggestions to insure that Nothing has been missed. Restricting the airflow to raise the engine temperature is one thing I have not tried. Will try that first.



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