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Kevin B

03-10-2008 09:30:23




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I want to convert my 2010 generator system to an alternator system. According to the shop manual the 2010 is a positive ground system. However, since I bought mine in '97 it's been a negative ground. What should someone have done to change it from positive to negative ground? What am I looking for to see if it was done right? Is it as simple as swapping leads?




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Kevin B

03-11-2008 08:55:32




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 Re: Positive/Negative Ground in reply to Kevin B, 03-10-2008 09:30:23  
Thanks to all for the great information. FYI The tractor already is negative ground. A previous owner has already gone through the trouble of converting it, which makes it much easier for me. I want to use an alternator because the generator just doesn't put out enough amps when I'm running the lights and a bailer knotter fan.



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Bob

03-10-2008 21:47:24




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 Re: Positive/Negative Ground in reply to Kevin B, 03-10-2008 09:30:23  
Kevin,

You don't mention if it's a gasser or a diesel. If a diesel, NOTHING needs to be changed to change the ground polarity, other than swapping the battery cables. If it's a gasser, the coil primary leads need to be swapped, as well, so the wire from the coil's (-)terminal goes to the distributor.

Avoid the "one-wire" alternators, and get a REAL 10SI Delco alternator, and connect it up to the "idiot light" you already have. (Which must be FUNCTIONAL for the alternator to "excite".)

The standard unit will "excite" at a lower speed than the (goofy) one-wire units.

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If you can find the wire comming from the "idiot light" that's been previously connected to the "GEN" (ARM) terminal on the generator's voltage regulator, and connect it to the alternator's #1 "switched excite" terminal, you can OMIT the diode shown in the photo.

If you choose NOT to use the factory "idiot light", you can use the diode (as shown) or a 10 Ohm, 10 Watt resistor in the "switched excite" lead. Only ONE of the choices needs to be used, and ALL three... light, diode, and resistor, work equally well.

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1958johndeere620

03-10-2008 18:22:38




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 Re: Positive/Negative Ground in reply to Kevin B, 03-10-2008 09:30:23  
I would use a one wire alt. as they are the easiest to hook up. If you want your idiot light to work go with 3 wire. If you want to use a volt gauge then go with one wire. I put a one wire on my 620. Used factory wire. NO FUSS.



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danb4230hc

03-10-2008 17:05:04




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 Re: Positive/Negative Ground in reply to Kevin B, 03-10-2008 09:30:23  
Chnaging from + to - ground is pretty straight forward. If you stay with a generator you will need a neg. ground regulator. If you change to an alternator I would suggest a Delco 10SI or a Delco one wire altenator. These have an internal regulator, therefor no external regulator is needed simplifying your wiring. If your tractor is a gas burner you will need to change the primary wires on the coil so the + terminal goes to the key switch, and the - terminal goes to your distributor points. Probably the biggest challenge will be to get the fuel gauge to work. On the 10 series tractors I've have luck with just swapping the leads around on the fuel gauge. The starter motor doesn't care what polarity you send to it, and neither do the lights care what the polarity is. The reason I like a Delco 10SI is so you can connect the #1 terminal of the alternator to the "GEN" light on the dash. When you turn the key on the "GEN " light will come on, then go off once the tractor starts and the alternator begins to charge. If the alternator isn't charging the light will stay on. The #1 terminal on a Delco 10SI basically "excites" the alternator when you first start the tractor. Hope I haven't forgotten anything since it's been a few years since my last conversion.

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