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2-Cylinder Engi

03-27-2008 19:18:09




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When did insert rod bearings replace babbitt?

My Grandfather's 1940 D has insert bearings. yet, his 1951 G has babbitt bearings?




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Mike M

03-28-2008 04:17:26




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 Re: Rod Bearings in reply to 2-Cylinder Engine, 03-27-2008 19:18:09  
No set time frame ,they went back and forth. Some of the early tractors with inserts like an A and maybe that D of yours had a thick bronze insert coated with babbit. I think someone is rebabbiting those ?



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F-I-T

03-28-2008 09:21:31




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 Re: Rod Bearings in reply to Mike M, 03-28-2008 04:17:26  
You can actually do a pretty decent job of re-applying babbit to the shells and re-machining if you have a stable mill and good boring head. Might take a couple of tries to get the feeds and speeds set to provide a good finish. Clean the shell well and apply the babbit with a good soldering iron, nice and thick (about like you would lead a body panel), and use the rod as a fixture. A coaxial indicator is a real help, but not required. I've actually used that method to build up certain bushings in the past as well.

They switched back and forth between insert bearings and poured babbit mostly due the rationing of the bronze backing that was diverted to shell casings during the war. I think that shortage carried on for some time.

That soft gray finish on many shell bearings is still babbit alloy today. There is a great article on the Federal Mogul site that I downloaded a while ago that really explains the purpose of the soft facing. The reason it is so soft is to grab hard particles and let them nestle down into the babbit so that they don't rub wear lines in the journal.

Any of you guys ever scraped babbit bearings back into size? Not a chore I'd wish on anybody, but it can be done. The method was covered in the older Motors Manuals, and I know it was listed in an Oil-Pull document I had around at one time.

Frank

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buck eye al

03-28-2008 15:01:04




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 Re: Rod Bearings in reply to F-I-T, 03-28-2008 09:21:31  
Yes. I had the privelege of being a machine scraper's assistant for but a few jobs before he could do the job no more. Alzheimer's got him. Wish I'd met him 30 years earlier. Though it was short it was still a privelege!

Yes it is tedious! Assemble, test, disassemble look closely, scrape. Assemble, test, disassemble look closely, scrape. Assemble, test, disassemble look closely, scrape. Requires the patience of a slow growing tree!

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F-I-T

03-28-2008 17:37:56




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 Re: Rod Bearings in reply to buck eye al, 03-28-2008 15:01:04  
Wink, wink, Al. Been there done that got the t-shirt. :0

You say scrape bearings to most people and they'd look at you as though you were making it up.



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PBrowning

03-28-2008 09:43:37




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 Re: Rod Bearings in reply to F-I-T, 03-28-2008 09:21:31  
A serious amount of craftsmanship has went by the boards in our "throw-away" world. As I reflect back, I still remain in awe at what those blacksmiths and also rod & bearing guys could do, and do it so very well. Babbitt was one of the greatest bearing developments ever, sure helped the railroads!

Once WW 2 was over, paving country roads went into full swing, and the last thing the township leaders wanted was for farmers to operate spade lug tractors over the newly "oiled" roads. So blacksmiths were busy cutting off the steel and welding in rims -- conversion to rubber was in full swing. The neat part of this story -- you seldom saw a rear wheel show any wobble as the tractor went along. But then -- jig it up right and your usually successful, and right those guys usually were.

Frank - have a great one! (PatB)

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