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Can you weld a cracked wheel?

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2510 Guy

11-07-2003 21:03:15




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I noticed a small crack on my right rear wheel the other day. The crack starts at the center hub and extends about three inches. Can this be welded? Can I continue to use the tractor without further damage?




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Dave in Ohio

11-08-2003 15:20:09




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
Your wheel can be fixed by an experienced welder with an extensive background in castings. It is rear that additional plates are needed if the pepair is done correctly, strength will be as new. I have taken off plates that others have welded on and repaired wheels centers to look as new. If I were to fix it you would probably be money ahead to look for a replacement. These repairs take lots of time and patients.

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G-MAN

11-08-2003 11:04:19




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
I totally agree with WTW on this one. Even considering repairing the wheel is absurd if it is in fact the F1500R wheel center, as they are nearly as common as dirt in most areas, and MORE common than dirt in the rockier areas of the country. A complete list of potential donor tractors for that wheel center is as follows: 50, 60, 70, 70D, 520/530, 620/630, 720/730, 720D/730D, 2510, 3010, 4010, 2520, 3020, 4020 and 4030. Like WTW said, the only differences are the wedges, so just use yours. Most salvage yards will probably all but GIVE you one, as they aren't often replaced and clutter up the yard, along with other low-volume parts such as trans and rear end housings, axles and the like. They'll probably even cut off the entire axle for you to avoid the hassle of removing the wheel at the yard, which will allow you to really wail on it at home. I'd soak it good with penetrating oil and let her soak. I also wouldn't be too worried about running the tractor the way it is. It may have been cracked for years with no problems. I've seen tractors run with loose wedges, broken wedges, loose bolts, broken centers, loose weights and just about every other wheel-related failure you can think of, and have yet to see them damage an axle yet. I've seen several axles snapped off clean, but that's another issue. Good luck with the wheel.

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720Deere

11-08-2003 15:06:10




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 Re: Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to G-MAN, 11-08-2003 11:04:19  
I think that I am missing something here! I have been around alot of 3020's and have never seen one with F1500R wheels. So, I looked in the 3020 parts book and sure enough only high-crop 3020's where equipped with F1500Rs. Same thing with 4030s. F1500Rs were not very common on anything after the 3010. The 3020 wheel will work, but it has 12 wedges instead of the 8 on the F1500R and it looks different.

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WTW

11-08-2003 06:37:49




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
Guy, Not to tell you what to do but here is my opinion for what it is worth. If your 2510 has 38" rubber on it as most did the cast wheel that it has should have a casting number of F1500R. This wheel was widely used on many other models and very easy find at a salvage yard. Take the money you are going to spend and put it toward a good used wheel. Some tractors that used this wheel are: Model 50, 60, 70, 520, 530, 620, 630, 720, 730, 2510, 2520, and the 4030. Get just the wheel and use the wedges from your tractor wheel and it will all fit together. Good Luck, DW

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Clooney

11-08-2003 06:26:50




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
2510 Guy, given enough time & money anything can be welded..

~Those cracks in wheel castings are very hard to weld up & even harder to keep from returning.

~Added to that the area that the crack is in will be very hard to weld with enough support to hold up under any kind of continual loading.

~You didn't mention the tractor make or model [can we assume it's a 2510?]...

~I really can't comment on what it would take to repair your wheel without seeing the wheel & the crack but can tell you that isn't an easy repair if you have a working tractor...If you have a play tractor or show tractor that won't see any hard usage it can probably be cosmetically welded to function under light loads.

~If that crack is in an area that the wheel retaining wedge pushes on it will be very hard to achieve a lasting repair.

~Again, without knowing the tractor make or model, or crack area I can't give a definitive answer but in most cases it will be cheaper to just buy a good used wheel.

~If that crack effects the wheel tightness on the axle you probably shouldn't run it for long as you could easily tear the axle up by using it...

JDClooney@aol.com

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John T

11-08-2003 06:03:28




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
Hi Guy, Of course, it can be welded, but how good a fix that is would be better left to experienced and knowledgeable welders and machinist (Im just an electrical, not mechanical or materials engineer) and depending on the material properties and use. Deep V grinds and support plates and the proper way of welding cast or steel would sure need looked at.

However, in the time beign and especially if youre gonna be using it, I would definitely drill a small relief hole all the way through at the very end of the crack to help relieve stress and stop further crack propagation. That could possibly stop the crack from going any further until you have a welder take a look at it.

Hopefully some experienced welders will weigh in here and we can all benefit. Good topic.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff

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Henry J

11-08-2003 05:31:22




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
2510

If you got work to do right now and want to fix the wheel later you could mark the very end of the crack and watch it closely to see if it progresses. Don't overdo it. Any progress and pull her to stop.

I have also had cast on front axels welded with one pass and the weld was strong enough to hold while the piece cracked in another area. However, I am a novice welder and always take cast to the machine shop.

Good Luck and do what you are comfortable with.

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old

11-07-2003 21:51:09




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 Re: Can you weld a cracked wheel? in reply to 2510 Guy, 11-07-2003 21:03:15  
yes it can be but you should add a fish plate to it. If you don't know what a fish plate is well I'll tell you. Its a piece of metal over your first weld it should be at least 1/2 inch wider then the weld area on both sidesand an inch would be even better. I would also grind a V in to the crack, this grinds out most of the bad metal. Hope this helps you some, Ive done this a couple of times and they lasted for a long time

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