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4020 or 4040 -- What would you do?

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Mark

02-01-2001 10:26:24

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I have a small tree farm, 15000 trees and plant 8 acres of corn with the trees.
The price does not seem that much different at auctions.
Thanks

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David

02-02-2001 19:32:18

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

I personally prefer a 4040, expecially if it is a quad-range and has a sound-gard body. But comparing a 4040 to a 4230 is a whole differenty story. Most 4230's in my part of the country had to have M&W kits just to start. Late model 4020's are great tractors, but if you spend very much time on one, you will apreciate the body on the 4040. Just my opinion.

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Greg H.

02-02-2001 09:41:36

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

Mark,
the 4040 is more modern, and some things are nicer to use. I do not think they used the same 404 engine, I think Deere went to a smaller cubic inch 6 cylinder for this model, but still maintained a 90 Hp rating. The 4230 and 4240 had the 404. I think you can get more HP out of a 4020D, and if it's a late model, with side console hydrolics it will do just as much work just as easily as a 4040. However, just like someone mentioned below, the front end set up on the 4040 is probobly stronger, and there is nothing wrong with the 4040. I like the 4020 because I am more firmiliar with it. and while i've not used a 4040 as much, I've used the 4440 and 4450's, and they are a good set up. The 4230 I use alot is realy stout, and I couldn't see the smaller engine in the 4040 keeping up with the 4230. Everything being equal in regards to condition buy the 4040 to use, and find a 4020 later to collect, and use as a hobby tractor. Later, Greg H.

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WTW

02-02-2001 14:11:02

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Re: Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Greg H., 02-02-2001 09:41:36

Greg, No offense but the 4040 was like the gentleman mentioned below the same basic tractor (including the 404 engine) as the 4230, just weaned back on the horsepower. The engine is the same cube as your 4020 but not the same engine some parts of it are the same depending on how old your 4020 diesel is?? The 4030 did have a smaller engine in it as I own one of them as well. It is a 329 Dubuque engine. The 4030 had a lighter drive train like the 3020 it replaced. The 4040 had the same heft drive train as the 4020, 4230, 4320 and 4430. Tractors that used the many different 404 John Deere engines were 4010 (with larger replacement sleeves and pistons) 4020, 4320, 4520, 4620, 7020, 4230, 4430, 4630, and the 4040. The 4040 was the last John Deere Ag tractor to have the 404 engine it. The 4240 and larger and newer row crop tractors used the 466 engine. After that we can talk about 7.6, 8.1, 531, 619, 10.1, 10.5 and 12.5s Not to confuse anybody just clarify some things. Dave W.

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Oaktree

02-02-2001 14:31:44

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Re: Re: Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to WTW, 02-02-2001 14:11:02

According to the shop forman of my local J.D. dealer, One difference between the 4020 and the 4230 engine is that they spray the underside of the piston with oil. They wanted to use similar parts as the turboed 4430.

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cannonball

02-01-2001 17:04:00

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

look at front axle if you ever think about a loader much stronger

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Tracy Redd

02-01-2001 16:10:07

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

I have drove 4040 for 18 year. i stsrted drove 4040 when i was 8 years old. Right now, I am 26 years old. This 4040 is the best tractor I ever to work with. Today, the 4040 still working and still orignal. My dad never have any trouble with 4040. We use the 4040 for everything. everybody who work for my dad loves 4040. My dad said that he will never sell the 4040.

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Oaktree

02-01-2001 16:03:21

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

Around here a 4040 goes for $20,000. They are basically a 4230 with a hydraulic seat if it has a cab.

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Mark

02-01-2001 12:32:21

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

I should mention that a 4040 is 90 HP pto and a 4020 is listed at 96 but I had a dyno done and the one I have goes to 90 HP. I would not get a 4040 unless it had a cab on it.

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WTW

02-01-2001 12:06:59

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

Mark, Nothing wrong with a good old 4020, But if you can by a 4040 for about the same money I would defiantly go for the newer tractor and for several reasons. One the 4020 is getting old. Two the 4020 will bring a premium just because of there popularity. Three the 4040 is nothing more than a modern 4020 and allot more. The 4040 has several improvements over the 4020, the first being the clutch, wet verses dry and with normal use it will last forever. The load control shaft seals that always leaked on the 4020 are different and allot better on the 4040, the water pump and many other improvements on the later 404 engine is also allot better than the 4020 including the cam gear verses the cam shaft driven injection pump. All the controls are more conveniently located and the hydraulic system is soupier over the 4020 because of the live transmission pump that the syncrorange 4020 never had. More capacity and the list goes on. The decision that you will have to make is. Do I want to buy a collector tractor or modern tractor for the same money that I can farm with and enjoy more. I Know what I would do but that's this guys opinion. Good Luck, Dave W.

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Haybaler

02-01-2001 11:50:53

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Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Mark, 02-01-2001 10:26:24

I personally believe you can never have too much horsepower, aren't they pretty close to the same hp rating? The next question is which one will "fit" in your present operation (and I literally mean size). How much room do you have to play with between the trees? I believe the two tractor are close to identical in frame size. And there is a lot to be said about a cab. Parts shouldn't be a problem for either tractor. Don't know if this helped, just a good way to open up discussion/thinking. My two bits.

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Ed Szymanek

02-03-2001 21:49:49

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Re: Re: 4020 or 4040 -- What would you do? in reply to Haybaler, 02-01-2001 11:50:53

I own both a 4020 & a 4040. The biggest advantage of the 4040 is the Soundguard cab. If you are going to be using the tractor in dusty and/or hot conditions the soundguard cab is something you need to consider.

Hope this helps

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