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Jim Moody

11-11-2001 09:31:58




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Just purchased a 12" 2 bottom JD plow on rubber wheels with spoke rims. Can't find a number on it anywhere. Trying to find out the model number so I can order a manual. It loooks like the "c" picture on page 220 of the book "John Deere Tractors and Equipment, vol 1 1837-1959". Any help with the model number or where to look for a part number, etc will be greatly appreciated.
Jim




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Dan

11-12-2001 18:07:51




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
I have been told that back when these plows and even later ones were purchased they came without bottoms. You ordered whatever type bottom you wanted so the Deere dealer had a book for the plows and a separate one for plow bottoms. My JD dealer still had the plow bottom book unfortunately most of the pieces of the old bottoms are no longer available. I have what I believe is a 4B plow. It has 16 inch bottoms that my dad called "Breaker Bottoms". It does not have a rear guage wheel but has a very long landside on the LH bottom. I believe this was to make up for lack of a guage wheel on the rear. It has steel wheels and the furrow wheel is larger than the land one. It has lots of frame clearence. It has a breakaway hitch in which a spring is compressed and will break away from the tractor if it gets hung up. I know my dad plowed a lot with it behind our 1938 G and though it still works the bottoms are quite thin. I believe the plow shares were resurfaced when they wore down and the old time blacksmiths put the dip in the front to make them pull into the ground better.

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Troy H

11-12-2001 17:34:16




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
Before you order a manual,try finding one on ebay.
I have bought a few at reasonable prices.Go to
advertisments and then go to agriculture.After you get there type in manual and it will give
you a complete list of all that are for sale.
Troy.



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ET

11-12-2001 14:52:21




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
The 4B plow has more trash clearance than a 52. If you measure from the tip of the plow point up to the frame the measurement is 23" on a model 4B.
This came from some old plow advertisments that I ran acrossed.



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Bob Collins

11-12-2001 05:20:17




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
Jim, The picture you refer to is one of a 4B plow but as the others have said, the 52 is easily confused with it. Beam numbers are a good guide, the 4A is easy because it had a leveling crank instead of a lever. The 52 has 1 1/2" axles and only 3 braces between the beams, the 4B has 1 3/4" axles and 4 braces as well as a lifting spring to help lift the extra weight. Rubber wheels with round spokes are likely original and indicate later mfg.date, if they have flat spokes they are likely "cut-offs" and were originally steel. Pre-1942 4B plows had a 32" land wheel but '42 and later had 26" land wheel so the wheel size guide only works on earlier steel wheel plows. Hope this helps. Bob

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Will P

11-12-2001 15:38:27




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 Re: Re: help with JD plow in reply to Bob Collins, 11-12-2001 05:20:17  
The picture is a 52 plow, not a 4B.

Will P



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ET

11-12-2001 14:46:25




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 Re: Re: help with JD plow in reply to Bob Collins, 11-12-2001 05:20:17  
Bob look at the furrow wheel hubcap in that piture its the flat one like a 52 uses.



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Bob Collins

11-13-2001 05:26:09




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 Re: Re: Re: help with JD plow in reply to ET, 11-12-2001 14:46:25  
Will and ET, Thanks for catching me on that picture, guess the glasses need cleaning, The (c) picture is indeed a #52, the (a) picture is captioned as a #4A but is actually a #4B note levers not crank for leveling. Bob



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Will P

11-11-2001 14:44:42




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
Look on the tops of the plow beams. There will be numbers. If those numbers are, 610,611,612,or 613, it is a #52 plow. If the numbers are in the 500's. it is a 4A, or 4B. The 4A was made for like 6 months. It would probably be a 4B then. Also, the 52 plow has the same size wheels on each side. The 4A and 4B have different size wheels on each side. My specialty is the #51 and #52 plow.

Will P

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Stan - Florida

11-11-2001 13:44:53




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 Re: help with JD plow in reply to Jim Moody, 11-11-2001 09:31:58  
I looked at the picture in the book and can't tell much from that. We had a 2-12" plow (on steel) that we pulled with our '41 B. It was a No. 52. In that time frame there was also a No. 4B (a heavier built plow) that came with 12" bottoms. Maybe one of the really knowledgeable people on here can help.

Stan



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