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420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help

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420 lover

03-15-2002 13:37:32




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My 420 will not start by itself( been useing starting fluid)Once it starts it runs perfect WHat could be the problem???please help and thanks in advance




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Andy Bradley

03-18-2002 04:19:25




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
My 420W had the same problem before I rebuilt the carb. Now it will start on the second crank every time in any weather.



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Henry J

03-16-2002 17:21:48




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
lover

My 420 has to have a choke before it pops off. The first thing I would do is check and see if the choke is operating per information given by clooney. My 420 is a very poor cranker, however if it rools over it will pop. Good Luck



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Henry J

03-16-2002 17:21:39




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
lover

My 420 has to have a choke before it pops off. The first thing I would do is check and see if the choke is operating per information given by clooney. My 420 is a very poor cranker, however if it rools over it will pop. Good Luck



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Clooney

03-15-2002 16:14:26




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
420 lover, you didn't give us very much information to go on. ~Does it crank slowly or quite briskly?
~Does the choke close all the way? Pull the intake hose & take a look, or see if you can stall the engine with the choke.
~Is the battery old or fairly new?
~Will it start better with a jump or with a battery charger hooked to it?
~Pull a plug wire & see if you are getting a BLUE spark that will jump a 3/16" gap while cranking, if not & you have a volt meter, see what the coil voltage is on the ignition side while cranking, if below 5 run a jumper wire from the starter big post to the coil ignition switch side & check the voltage again, if better & it then starts suspect a high resistance in the ignition circuit such as the switch, if it isn't higher move the voltmeter to the battery posts & see what the voltage on the battery is during cranking, if below 5 suspect a low charge, sulfated battery, or defective battery. If above 5 at the battery & lower than 4.5 at the coil, move the voltmeter to between the big post on the starter & ground & see what you have there, if more than 0.2 volts below battery voltage while cranking suspect the ground cable, cable connections or cable between the battery & starter.
~You could have a defective ignition coil that wouldn't show up in the above tests & that would be hard to diagnose without a coil tester or substituting a new coil (The coil being defective would be a long shot)
~If the cranking voltage is good, the choke is working properly, the coil is producing a good "blue" spark & your gasoline is not old & lost it's light ends, you are left with low compression (do a cold compression test to see what kind of cold compression you have) or a malfunction in the carb (probably the carb is ok due to the fact it runs good once started)
~It might not hurt to put in new spark plugs, wires & points before doing too much, but if you have a good blue spark that will jump a 3/16" gap while cranking with the spark plugs in the engine you probably have a good enough ignition system to start the tractor & should just install new plugs.
~As you probably have figured out by reading this, I have no silver bullet to give you to that will make it start, diagnosing a poor starting engine is difficult enough when actually working on it & trying too do it by E-Mail is almost impossible without ongoing feedback from you. Try some of the things mentioned above then post back as questions arise & we will talk you through getting your tractor to start.

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420 lover

03-16-2002 17:15:43




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 Re: Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to Clooney, 03-15-2002 16:14:26  
Thanks for some info....It is a fairly new battery. and it cranks over at the normal speed. We just cleaned the carberator. but it doesnt start at all unless we use the starting fluid.



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charles ethridge

03-15-2002 15:50:38




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
jdm, could be fuel problem, or could be the plugs are not the correct heat range,althought from my past experince i sometimes think these old engines get hooked on the ether and will just not start until they get their fix! good luck charles



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CPeter

03-15-2002 15:47:58




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
See my comments on the 420 lopes below. I think that they may apply. Also make sure the points and condenser are good. My experience with these has been that they like new points on a regular basis. It is only six volts and when everything is right, that is fine, but a weak ingition and they start hard. Mine srtart out in the barn down to at least zero without heating the block.



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JDM Guy

03-15-2002 15:29:07




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 Re: 420 start but runs awesome!! Clooney can you help in reply to 420 lover, 03-15-2002 13:37:32  
Had the same problem with my M. I think you have a fuel problem. Sounds like you aren't getting enough gas in the cylinders. Try cleaning your carb, fuel line and sedement bowl.



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