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4020/1855

03-25-2002 07:24:02




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Just wanted an opinion on which tractor was better. The John Deere 4020 or the Oliver 1855. Thanks for any input.




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Tom P

03-26-2002 06:01:44




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
I've spent allot of time on an Oliver and JD. The problem I always noticed was "where is the Defferential Lock on the Oliver"??



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Jimbo

03-26-2002 17:18:03




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Tom P, 03-26-2002 06:01:44  
Where is it on my 4020. I don't seem to have what you say I have.



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Rodney A. Johnson

03-27-2002 08:32:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Jimbo, 03-26-2002 17:18:03  
Early models of the 20 series did not have the differential lock. My dad had a 1968 4020 that had it. I don't recall what was the first year they introduced the differential lock..may have been as early as '66 but don't quote me on that.



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Billy BOB

03-25-2002 20:37:56




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
The JD is far more better i've seen these things in action and they can pull a lot more than an oliver 1855. plus parts are more easier to come by because they are more popular, they became more popular because they are a better tractor



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Guru

03-28-2002 14:38:42




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Billy BOB, 03-25-2002 20:37:56  
Either one is a good tractor.Still can get parts for BOTH.Depends how much weight you hang on each one as far as pulling.1855 had a few more horses and both were nice to operate.A JD man sitting here thinking that over under would have been nice ahead of that 4020 trans.Ifffff fff both are sound tractors,it comes down to the neighbors.Which one would put you in good with them.I know most of my neighbors diets,John Deere Chevrolet,Apple Pie,the rest would like to try some of that apple pie..... ..But ya know what they are all good neighbors.

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Handsome Jim

03-25-2002 17:09:15




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
I thought an 1855 was in the same HP class as a 3020. I only drove an Oliver a couple of times when I was a teenager, but one thing about those Olivers that I liked was the over/under hydro/shifter. You'd never shift any John Deere like that in those days.



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Sam H.

03-25-2002 17:18:35




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Handsome Jim, 03-25-2002 17:09:15  
1855's were rated at 98 HP, but most put out a lot more. We had a couple that were in the 115-120 range. They were nice tractors, but that 310 engine had reliability problems.

Sam



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Handsome Jim

03-25-2002 20:13:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Sam H., 03-25-2002 17:18:35  
I guess I should of known better, I must have been thinking of a 1655. When I was a young feller, we had an Oliver dealer just up the road from our main farm. Actually they went into the tractor business just before the transition to White. Dad never could get too interested in the Oliver/White tractor line but he did buy a couple of plows and chisel plow from them. He also bought a used 5020 and a 3020 power shift from them also.

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Brian S.

03-25-2002 15:34:53




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
We own both and they are both very good tractor's. We do have slightly better luck getting part's for the JD.I guess that mean's a lot if you are in a hurry. I think if I were looking for a tractor to use everyday I'd go for somthing newer than either of them.My 2-cent's.



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HOW CAN U COMPARE A 4020 TO JUNK LIKE THAT??

03-25-2002 13:41:19




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
Oliver can't be compared to JDsince JD is far superior



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MR KNOW-IT-ALL

03-25-2002 14:16:16




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to HOW CAN U COMPARE A 4020 TO JUNK LIKE THAT??, 03-25-2002 13:41:19  
That sure convinced Me of Deere's Superiority!



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HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A 4020 TO JUNK LIKE THAT?

03-26-2002 09:25:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to MR KNOW-IT-ALL, 03-25-2002 14:16:16  
I would hope that you would open your eyes and compare the 2 tractors and see the quality and parts support that Deere still hads over an orphan like Oliver. Are OEM replacment parts still available from Oliver? Probably not!



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JD 4000

03-25-2002 10:50:18




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
my JD 4000 has daul loader see in picture tractor photos for jd 4000, it can easy come off and on by backing out when putting loader down ground it has legs that comes out from under loader to hold it up.



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Rodney A. Johnson

03-25-2002 10:35:46




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
Not to pick on you in particular, but I find these types of posts both amusing and annoying. When you ask an opinion of one brand vs. another, naturally the JD bb participants are usually going to tout their brand over the other. The same will happen if you post on the IH, Ford, Allis, etc. Most responses are of no real value when evaluating which tractor to go with.

I personally believe that you need to decide whether brand means anything at all. If not, then pursue it more pragmatically. Your followup post is a good example of the types of things you need to include in your decision making process.

I have a 3010, an A, and a 4020. I have these because I like JD. I have also used numerous Fords, Allis, Oliver, IH, a MM, a Massy Ferguson, along with many JDs. Each of these tractors had good points and bad points. I found that most breaks downs had much more to do with maintenance and treatment of the machine rather than the brand.

One thing that I have experienced first hand is that a tractor with a reasonable amount of weight will do well pulling field equipment regardless of the brand. For instance, I did a lot of manure hauling with an Allis 200 pulling a tandem axle New Idea spreader. I would get stuck with this tractor on frozen ground when trying to go through a deadfurrow without busting things up (had to go slow). A 4020 did the same thing with out getting stuck. The 200 has about 100-105 hp so is about 10-15 hp more, but it weighed less than the 4020 (8,000#s vs. 10,000#s).

For your case I believe that the 4020 is going to be heavier than the 1855. So to get the 1855 to pull (and compare fairly with the 4020) you would need to make sure it has equal weight.

As to hydraulics, I know that my 3010 has a 16 GPM pump (at 2100-2200psi) with 3/8" lines. The 3020 has a 18 GPM pump (pressure is around 2300psi) with 1/2" lines. I believe the 4020 that I have has the same setup as the 3020.

The type of loader can make a big difference in performance as well. Size of the cylinders, size of the supply lines, etc.

I think your first step is to get a good evaluation of both tractors mechanically. The one that is more mechanically sound is likely to be the better choice. You can always add weight to increase your pulling capability. The Oliver is likely to cost you less just because JDs have such a high resale value.

The particular 1855 I drove was suppose to have 130 hp (the owners may have been filling me a line of crap). The engine and transmission had been completely rebuilt. The cost was almost as much as it would have cost to rebuild the engine and tranny of the 4020 (assuming syncro trans). It was a nice tractor and I enjoyed driving it as much as any tractor. However, if I had a choice between the JD and Oliver, I'll take the JD every time despite the higher investment. Why JD? Because availability of parts. JD tractors seem to have the controls in the "natural" place (not all models...but most). And I guess the looks has a fair amount to do with it as well.

Sorry for the long post. Hope this helps and hope you don't take my opening comment too personal. I forget sometimes that not all who post grew up farming and driving many tractors as I and many other have.

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LL

03-25-2002 11:59:05




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Rodney A. Johnson, 03-25-2002 10:35:46  
There is hardly any difference in weight between a 200, 4020 syncro, and a 1850. Like within about 300 or 400 lbs. The 1855 is much heavier at around 10,000lbs. Of the three I,d take the 200 because of the torque rise and the much better operator controls and platform.



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G-MAN

03-25-2002 11:04:33




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Rodney A. Johnson, 03-25-2002 10:35:46  
I agree with you, Rodney. Posts like this are just comparing apples and oranges, to no one's real benefit. It is nice to have other people's opinions, but I sure wouldn't base my whole decision on them. The bottom line is compare them both, and preferrably multiple tractors of each type, otherwise you may be swayed by comparing one which is worn out, to one which is in good shape. Like you said, if you post this on the JD board, the majority of people are going to say go with the JD. Good luck with whatever tractor you choose, and don't place much value on any one person's opinion. You're the one paying for and using the tractor.

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4020/1855

03-25-2002 14:22:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to G-MAN, 03-25-2002 11:04:33  
Sorry to plug up your board with this question, I should've thought about that before I posted it. But thanks for the help anyway.



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Rodney A. Johnson

03-26-2002 11:19:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 14:22:53  
Well, at least your trying to do some research and an informed decision. Have you posted this same question on the Oliver BB (I didn't go check)? If not, you might want to consider posting the same question with some details on your expectation/requirements the tractor you choose must be able to do (such as the loader and dealing with wet black soil).



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Greg H

03-25-2002 10:05:13




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
The 1855 is a very good tractor, and if it's equipt with over/under/and direct it gives you more options in gearing, when you get to a tough spot plowing or hauling heavy loads. On the down side, that type of transmission option is also a wear item, that may at some part need reworked. Dollars!!! There's nothing that I know of that's wrong with the Oliver, but I do know that the 4020 does have a displacement advantage, and fine hydrolics, and for what you are getting parts arn't that bad. If you can get the Oliver cheap buy it, if not get the 4020, because they are great overall farm tractors, but do yourself a favor and find a late model 69-72 with console hydrolics if you are going to be doing alot of three point work. You'll pay more, but it's worth it not to reach through or around the steering wheel all the time. Later, Greg H.

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4020/1855

03-25-2002 09:10:41




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
I forgot to mention that I want to put a loader on it, so hydraulic capacity will be a big factor.
Also, which pulls better through wet black dirt.



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Billy BOB

03-25-2002 09:06:15




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
We have 2 4020 JD's and they could whip that 1855 Oliver anyday.



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Jimbo

03-26-2002 17:21:29




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Billy BOB, 03-25-2002 09:06:15  
Are you saying it would take 2 4020's to whip an 1855?



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Billy BOB

03-26-2002 17:37:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Jimbo, 03-26-2002 17:21:29  
no one 4020 could whip one of those pieces of crap



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If no one then two or more

03-27-2002 20:19:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to Billy BOB, 03-26-2002 17:37:18  
So if no one 4020 could whip one of those pieces of crap then it's true it take two or more. By the way I have a 4020 and a 190xt but never owned an 1855 so I can't personally call one a piece of crap. Jimbo.



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JD 4000

03-25-2002 09:00:16




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
take the 4020! only 200,000 had been build...
I got a jd 4000 my self enjoy it. see pic on tractor photo jd 4000



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john jenkins

03-25-2002 07:45:15




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 Re: Which is better. in reply to 4020/1855, 03-25-2002 07:24:02  
The 4020, hands down!



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LH

03-25-2002 07:59:40




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 Re: Re: Which is better. in reply to john jenkins, 03-25-2002 07:45:15  
Hate to disagree, but I think the Oliver is a better overall machine. Parts are probably more readily available for the 4020 though since so many were made.



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