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39B

04-20-2002 14:15:32




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Can someone please give me some info on a disc plow. What were they used for. Same as a regular plow? Are they tough to find and how much money are we looking at thanks i love this board




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Rev JJ

04-21-2002 06:24:52




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
Disk breaking plows are used the same way as moldboards are used, except they were the preferred type in waxy, sticky, "hard to scour" gumbo soils like we have in Texas. they also have the further advantage of not creating a "Hard Pan" from plowing.

A disk tiller, or "one way" isn't the same thing as a disk breaking plow, as they only go about 2-maybe 3inches deep. On a one way, the disks are mounted to a common axle, breaking plows are individually mounted.

A disk breaking plow is a primary tillage tool, a one way is meant to mainly till fallow ground for weed control.

One ways, not breaking plows, were a real factor in the Dust Bowl. A lot of farmers could no longer afford to use breaking plows because of the intense fuel use, so they had to make do with just flipping the topsoil over and over. When the draught and wind hit, the land never had a chance.

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Paul

04-21-2002 18:26:37




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 Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Rev JJ, 04-21-2002 06:24:52  
I just have to argue with you a little here.okay when the dirt starts blowing how much topsoil will blow away ? just as much as worked thats how much so if you plow 8" you lose 8".if you oneway 3" you lose 3".
also aone way leaves residue on top to help protect the top soil. a

plow inverts most residue. the biggest reason for the dust bowl days was spring plowing miles and miles of already dry soil.and nothing to stop it no alternate crop residue no wind breaks no wind strips and plowed soil.
the oneway was invented ater the dirty thirties and was inpart a response to the dust bowl.
conservation wise the oneway was a far superior tool to the disk and our erosion problems started after parking oneways.
ten years ago we stopped working the soil altogether.and surprise no erosion.Paul Winter

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Rev JJ

04-21-2002 18:48:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Paul , 04-21-2002 18:26:37  
One ways were on the market at least as early as the 1920s.

Disc breaking plows also invert the soil in the same fashion as a moldboard (at least all of them that I used did). Break plowing on gumbo type soils allows moisture to more readily absorbed and, due to the size of the plowed "clods" and furrowing rows produced IS NOT as prone to either wind nor water erosion as is the small, fragmented soil left after running a one way.

As to the "plow 3 inches lose 3inches" argument I would hate to think someone would use any kind of tillage practice in an environment where one could expect weather conditions that would produce such a soil loss.

A greater sin today is the use of tandem disc plows for all stages of tillage, "flat planting" and running across terraces on rolling land with overwidth equipment. I have seen more soil lost to erosion in the last ten years after the corperate, mega farms moved in than in the lifetime that came before it. ironically, they ar all getting paid by the under the auspices of "soil conservation."

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Paul

04-21-2002 19:53:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Rev JJ, 04-21-2002 18:48:38  
show me a one way built before 1925 and I'll shut up as far as losing it as far as you work it I've seen it. I'm 37.I have also seen sheet erosion that has taken 20 acres 6" deep because of a plow.I agree about mega farms high speeds and big disks .we did a lot better job with conservation in the 70's at 5 mph with out minimum pass tillage . no till has done wonders for us in the dakotas.residue is the most important form of conservation when it is dry and when rains come in downpours.

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Rev JJ

04-21-2002 20:40:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Paul, 04-21-2002 19:53:08  
Now don't get so upset. Sheet erosion in Dakota is a lot different animal than it is in Texas.

Parlin and Orenduff, JICase Plow Works, and John Deere all offered one way disc tillers by around 1923. In fact, I have seen pictures of real early tractors pulling Cockshut one ways with seed boxes on them in Canada in theWW1 era.

My point is that in the Blacklands of Texas, a one way is an inferior primary tillage plow, and the threble disc breaking plow reigned supreme until supplanted by the Graham Hoame Chisle plow in the 1950's.

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Robert Hauf

06-24-2002 18:46:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Rev JJ, 04-21-2002 20:40:08  
I have a John Deere 6 blade disc plow simular to the one in the Picture. I used it behind a Cletrac Crawler to break virgin soil that had so much Buckbrush that I couldn't get through without cutting all the brush by hand. It cut the roots off and then I had to put all the brush in several piles and burn it before I could seed the ground. This was done in 1949 in central ND.



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thurlow

04-20-2002 19:07:50




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
Way back when, before everybody and his brother had a 'dozer, they were often used to build terraces. With a conventional moldboard, after a couple of passes, the soil will get so loose that is will no longer roll over; plow will just slip through it. With disk plow, you can just keep on making passes 'til you have the desired shape.



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JohnnyB

04-20-2002 19:00:44




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
They are all over the place here in N.E.Tx, fairly cheap, work good in sandy soil.



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lc

04-20-2002 17:54:50




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
I have a 2 plow 3pt plow that was bought new with the jd40t my dad bought in 1954. I have started repainting it in the last few days. It was especially good where roots, etc were a problem. It just cut'em and kept going. You could also put them in the ground about anywhere you wanted to, to the dept you wanted. I always felt they worked better, (prettier work) in the looser type soils though.



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Ralph

04-20-2002 17:53:37




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
I think they were used in dry country. I knew a fellow that bought a number of them in the 80's and shipped them to Mexico. As a result I suspect they are rather rare. Nephew also buried one in a field where it set.



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Jason

04-20-2002 17:51:21




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
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Is this what you had in mind? It's actually called a disc tiller. I restored this one last year. From what I have gathered, they are hard to find and not even recognizable in certain parts of the country. I've used it to till a garden and it does a great job of turning over the soil.

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RayP(MI)

04-21-2002 16:15:31




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 Re: Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to Jason, 04-20-2002 17:51:21  

My dad (circa 1955-65) had a similar one to this - only had massive steel wheels - cast in pieces and bolted together (probably to aid in causing it to cut properly). Had 5 disks, and did a 4' cut. Was hydraulically lifted - thank goodness! It was sure the ticket for cutting up quack grass sod to a depth of about 6"! Pulled it with a JD B. Usually did two passes - at 90 degrees. That second pass was always a rough ride, because of rolling over the furrows. Sure wish I could find that one and get it back, or another like it. Nice restore job. Congrats!

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Tractorboy

04-20-2002 15:16:14




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 Re: Disc Plows??? in reply to 39B, 04-20-2002 14:15:32  
I got a 2 disc plow made by Deere that I pull with my B . It has 3 steel wheels and is hydralic lifted . The disc are mounted on separate bearings and does a good job of turning trashy land .It stays where it is supposed to stay and does not wander off if the going gets tuff . The back wheel weighs a bunch so it does a good job . I love to use it in the spring breaking ground .



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