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Generator Question on a 1951 A.

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Joe

05-31-2002 15:44:56




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I have a 1951 A that has a regulator and generator. I would like the generator to have increased output at lower rpms. Right now I have to run the tractor at least half throttle before Amp gauge needle shows that the generator is charging.

At lower rpms, the gauge needle is in a discharge position.

The belt is tight. Is there an adjustment that can be done to increase the output at lower rpms?


Thanks for any input,


Joe

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Kerry

06-01-2002 19:13:17




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 Re: Generator Question on a 1951 A. in reply to Joe, 05-31-2002 15:44:56  
Silly question warning!!! Here goes...

Why not just run it at or a little above 1/2 throttle? This old tractors like to run higher than that anyway, low rpms just foul plugs. You're not going to hurt it. My 1955 JD 50LP turns faster than most of the old 2-cylinder tractors and I think wide open is still around 1300 rpms. The A only runs around 950 or 1000, I think.

If you're running half throttle, drop down a gear and run 75% or so and it will be fine. Wind it up and let it pop!

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Clooney

06-01-2002 18:27:13




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 Re: Generator Question on a 1951 A. in reply to Joe, 05-31-2002 15:44:56  
Joe, start with the obvious, is the belt tight & the correct width?
~You didn't give engine RPM's so I will just have to guess at what 1/2 throttle is on your tractor. ~If you have a 3 brush generator it might be as simple as adjusting the third brush for higher generator output, [loosen the 3rd brush clamp screw & move the brush in the direction of armature rotation]
~If that doesn't do the trick, or you don't have a 3 brush generator, you might have a 6 volt generator on your "A", [with the correct 12 volt regulator it will still charge that way, but the output will be lower & the RPM will have to be higher], or the generator output is low due to brush wear, corrosion, shorted field etc., or the cut-out relay in the regulator is set too high. ~To eliminate the cut-out relay causing a problem for testing purposes .. start the tractor & run at 1/2 throttle, then run a jumper wire from the [BAT] to the [GEN] terminal on the regulator, then lower the throttle setting until the charging goes to just above the + side of "0", if the RPM is substantially lower, you probably need a cut-relay adjustment [my recommendation would be a new regulator].
~If none of the above helps you, you could have the wrong sized pulley, defective generator, 1/ 2 throttle isn't very fast on your "A", or ?
~If you can't tell if you have a 6 or 12 volt generator, see if you can find a number on it & post the number..... .....

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POPPER DICK

06-01-2002 05:47:33




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 Re: Generator Question on a 1951 A. in reply to Joe, 05-31-2002 15:44:56  
Joe,

Be carefulf bending the tabs!!! Clooney is real good at explaining regulator/generator operations. I understand it but Clooney is much better at explaining it. Generators do not work like their newer counter parts (Alternators) One of the two coils in your regulator acts as a switch to turn on and off the charging systems to your battery. With increased RPM's the voltage/current rises where the switching coil is then pulled in activating the charging coil to your battery. This is the nature of the beast with a generator/regulator system. As I said before Clooney is much better at explaining this in technical terms than I.

Hope this helps.

Dick

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mike f.

05-31-2002 20:11:06




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 Re: Generator Question on a 1951 A. in reply to Joe, 05-31-2002 15:44:56  
take your cover off your voltage regulator box, then you'll see two springs and two contact points sets. they have tabs on the rear to set how much tension is on the spring. have some body watch the amp guage and pull slightly up on the tab and see if you show more on the amp meter , also you can put a mulitmeter on dc volts on your battery posts and see how much output you get, don't go above 14.7 vdc, hope this helps, it fixed my 60 generator.

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