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Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug

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Jerry S

07-08-2002 13:15:23




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The pipe plug hole on the A still needs repair and I had a guy tell me he knows there are helicoil repair kits for this size of thread. Questions I have are 1) would helicoil be a suitable fix for a water surface or will it just make my problem bigger next time from rusting out and 2) where could I find some this size as usually I only find up to 1/2 inch size? Thanks for your help.




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F-I-T

07-08-2002 14:20:14




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 Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Jerry S, 07-08-2002 13:15:23  
Jerry:

Here's a post from a while back that might pertain to your problem, if there is enough material to work with. F-I-T

: You might be able to re-tap that hole using a tapered pipe tap. Your friendly plummer might have one in the size you need that he'd loan you.

They're not cheap, but not all that pricey, either. I just stopped by the McMaster-Carr page, and you can buy a 1 1/2'' carbon steel tapered tap for around $38.00. Bigger is higher, smaller is less.

If you just tapped about one new turn, it would probably catch up enough of the taper to make new threads most of the way (depending on the angle of taper).

Then you might have to install a plug that is shortened so that it has the effect of being a bigger diameter at the starting end so that it doesn't get too far into the water jacket.

Then again, if you had a friend with a lathe, you could make an oversized plug, have your friendly plumber thread that plug on his pipe threading machine (or thread it on the lathe), install it in your newly cut threads, and it ought to last another 50 years (and probably more, since you'll protect it with some teflon tape).

Or you could JB weld a 5/8" hex nut in there, and use a cut-off hex bolt (brass would be nice !)with a paper gasket on it as the plug, and use some heat to remove the JB weld and nut if you ever wanted to fix it more proper in the future.

Lots of options...

Frank-in-Tallahassee
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G-MAN - disregard other post, found a source for NPT heli-coils

07-08-2002 13:45:22




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 Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Jerry S, 07-08-2002 13:15:23  
Your post got my curiosity going, and I did some checking for NPT heli-coils. I found a source on the internet for heli-coil products. The site is www.lavezzi.com, and they show a 3/4-14 heli-coil kit. The price they show is $184.00 and the part number is PTP7514. That seems pretty steep, but heli-coil kits aren't cheap in general, and this may give you a place to start. I would still consider drilling and tapping larger, or even welding the hole shut and redrilling, if it's in a steel component and you can get all the debris out. $184 seems pretty high to repair just one hole. Just wanted to pass along the info I found.

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G-MAN

07-08-2002 13:28:06




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 Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Jerry S, 07-08-2002 13:15:23  
I've used heli-coils quite a number of times to repair threads, but I didn't know that they made them for NPT (national pipe taper) threads, so you might want to check into that further - call a parts store, etc. I'm assuming that you know that pipe threads are different than regular bolt threads. I've gotten regular 3/4 inch heli-coils from the local auto parts store, but they had to order them. I've heard that a properly installed heli-coil is as strong or stronger than regular cut threads, so you can draw your own conclusion there. I would use teflon tape or pipe sealant on the threads when you reinstall the plug. Please post back if there is such a thing as NPT heli-coils, as I have never heard of them before. If it turns out that you can't get the NPT heli-coils, you might consider drilling and tapping to the next size bigger.

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Larry E

07-08-2002 19:15:05




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 Re: Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to G-MAN, 07-08-2002 13:28:06  
Helicoils are good for something you want permanent,and not be taking out frequently.The one size larger makes more sense .Then use anti seize



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Walt in Jaxn, Tn.

07-08-2002 19:38:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Larry E, 07-08-2002 19:15:05  
frank's got a good idea (and an idea for a business venture) clean the old threads one turn with the tap then get someone to thread a short piece of hex stock (mabey a short piece of brass-2 1/2 in. long)walt



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Walt in Jaxn, Tn.

07-08-2002 19:56:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Walt in Jaxn, Tn., 07-08-2002 19:38:25  
i've posted a picture of that drain plug in the gallery under tractor photos, it's listed as 41 john deere b cooling system drain plug



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Scott

07-09-2002 05:18:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Walt in Jaxn, Tn., 07-08-2002 19:56:39  
Why do you need to Helicoil in new threads? Just screw in a rubber expansion plug and your problem is solved. It will hold-my G was fixed this way in 1998.



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Jerry S

07-09-2002 07:24:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Helicoil help for 3/4 pipe plug in reply to Scott, 07-09-2002 05:18:57  
Thanks for all your help. I have a rubber plug in it now but am afraid I will knock it off in the field. After you have plowed with that rubber plug in there, it gets hot enough that it doesn't hold the same.



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