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Jim

12-04-2002 21:41:09




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My neighbor says he has a 4620 that runs but the rear end is locked up. I have seen it from a distance and it seems to be in preety good shape with good rubber. He says that it is a hydrostatic transmission. Is this true did JD make one or has he mistaken it for something else? What would it be worth and if the rear end is shot, could the engine fit in something else like a 4020 or 5020? He said he would take $1700. Thanks in advance.

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NY FARMER

12-05-2002 20:21:30




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 Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-04-2002 21:41:09  
The 4620 was a decent tractor...If I was going to have one I would want the syncro just because it is a bit stronger..as for the 5020 yes they were a dog but if you wanted to spice one up a bit instead of going through all the head ache of putting a detroit or 903 cummins in you can just put a JD 619 in. That engine is the same block structure. Bolt pattern is the same also.. You would have to do some work plumbing the water pump but it can be done very easy.. I have a 6030 that I pull in the stock class and have a 619 out of a JD 5830 chopper in it..turning 310 stock and I have it turned all the way up with a boshe "P" pump on it..very nice set up....

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Jason

12-05-2002 18:43:17




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 Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-04-2002 21:41:09  
The Engine would physically bolt on to a 4020 and it would make a real tiger out of it (for a while) Im pretty sure that the boost in power would increase wear on your drive train and it would wear out faster than normal..... .... I Can't say for sure but thats what I've been told



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Gunner

12-05-2002 06:40:39




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 Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-04-2002 21:41:09  
A 4620 with power shift in decent shape should bring $7500-10,000. What you need to do is figure out just what is wrong with rearend and figure if tractor purchase price + repairs will put you over that. 4620 is a great tractor with 134 HP from factory with many of the running 175 with no problems. It is a 404 with a turbo and cooler and I doubt you could get it in a 4020 or 4320 it would work in a 4520. Where are you at because if you don't take it I may be interested.

Gunner

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John

12-05-2002 03:59:30




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 Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-04-2002 21:41:09  
Hi:

Yes, the 4620 was offered with the Power Shift Transmission, which was automatic(shifting without clutching). Teh engine is a 404TI and It would probably fit in a 4020 but might take some minor modifications to get the turbo and intercooler to fit under the hood. The 5020 had something like a 531 or something and it wouldn't be worth your time working with it unless you already have a 5020 that needs an engine and purchase the 46 for parts. They say that the 5010-5020 was pretty low on power, that a 4020 would keep up with it all day long with a little smaller implement. They did make conversions though for these tractors. I know a company made it so that you could fit a V series Detroit into a 5010-5020 to get power. My boss went to a sale here in Ohio last week where a 4620 with a Detroit sold and the auctioner said that this was a dealer installed option and only 18 were made. I'd never heard of that though.

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John

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Green Envy

12-05-2002 10:01:49




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 Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to John, 12-05-2002 03:59:30  
The 5010/5020 were not low on power. They were the biggest 2-wheel drive tractors in their day designed initially for wheat country where I live. We had both a 5020 and 4020 at the same time. We pulled a 26ft plow with the 5020 and 16ft plow with the 4020. Both were great tractors. Now I pull a 24ft plow with a 5010. It might seem like the 5010/5020 are low on power considering the size of the engine (it is a 531) but they solved that with the 6030. Almost every farm had a 5010 or 20 in my area and some are still being used today.

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Jim

12-05-2002 07:30:02




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 Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to John, 12-05-2002 03:59:30  
How were the power shifts, were they any good? How hard are they to work on?



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G-MAN

12-05-2002 10:57:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-05-2002 07:30:02  
Deere has always built pretty good powershifts. I've got quite a bit of experience working on them in the large row-crops, and they are good units. Just like any type of transmission, proper maintenance and operation tells the tale. If you keep good oil and filters in them, and don't abuse them, they'll run a long time without problems. If you use el cheapo oil and don't change it or the filters often and abuse the tractor, you can ruin one in a matter of hours. They're probably a little more expensive to fix than a quad-range, but quad-ranges can have their own little quirks as well. How hard they are to work on depends on the tractor. The 8-speed powershifts have the clutch pack located in the front of the transmission, the 15-speed versions have it mounted on the flywheel. They're easier to pull and disassemble on the 15 speeds. Both versions require removing the rockshaft housing and either the cab or the cab floor to get to the brake pack. I think you could get one out through the cab floor, but we just pull the cab, as we have overhead hoists and it's just easier to pull the whole thing and have it out of the way. If you have any other questions about the powershifts, feel free to email me.

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lpman400

12-05-2002 08:13:25




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 Re: Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to Jim, 12-05-2002 07:30:02  
We just had a 8 forward and 4 reverse speed powershift trans rebuilt in our JD 4840. The B clutch pack went out and per the JD dealer took out the plantary set with this. When this occured it locked up completely when going from fifth to forth gear. This has been our workhorse tractor for many years for both tillage and planting and whatever our 4020's could not do. The only draw back to this transmission is they are very pricy to fix, our came in at around $13,000.00 to repair, but after 6300 hours and this being to only major repair we have had with this unit, we felt it was worth fixing.

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G-MAN

12-05-2002 11:02:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to lpman400, 12-05-2002 08:13:25  
What was the breakdown of the bill between parts and labor? $13,000 seems pretty high for a tranny job on a 4840, unless it is new throughout. A completely new clutch pack and brake pack list for about $10,000 total. Did they install new units or just replace the bad pieces? If they put in new, the cost would probably be pretty much in line, as $2000 labor would probably be in the neighborhood of 40 to 50 hours, which is about what it would take to do the whole job. And the other $1000 would cover other needed parts such as gaskets, torsional damper and so forth. I was just curious what all they did on your tractor.

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lpman400

12-06-2002 06:09:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to G-MAN, 12-05-2002 11:02:57  
G-Man, you are exactly right about replacing the entire unit rather then just the damaged items. The brake pack and clutch pack were new as you thought,we ask the dealer to look at any items that appeared to be worn and advise us. Again we thought the price seemed high at first but in checking with several JD dealers in the midwest (IN, MI, and ILL) they all came in around that dollar amount. Just finished harvest in before Thanksgiving and this tractor performed like it has for many years before the fix. Just bought a used 8640 to replace a semi worn out 4020 (11,000 plus hours, tach stopped working 2 years ago) and have spent about 60 hours chisel plowing corn stalk and V-Ripping soybeen stubble this fall, what a horse!- Ken

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G-MAN

12-06-2002 07:48:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4620 value in reply to lpman400, 12-06-2002 06:09:31  
Glad to hear that. I kind of figured that for that kind of money, they probably replaced the complete brake and clutch packs. That's the only way to go when you have major failures, because you usually can't piece them out and put in the time to reassemble them for much if any less than the complete units cost. And now you know exactly what you have. You bought an 8640 to replace a 4020? That must have been some good-running 4020, lol. I've spent a lot of time in an 8450, and those older JD four-wheel drives are pretty good units. Not real cheap to work on, but they don't break down too much when properly maintained and operated. Good luck with your Deeres.

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