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12-07-2002 13:03:35

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Was talking to a friend the other day and the subject of the crappy gas we get these days came up and got me to thinking that I never done anything to the gas on my 830 pony before I put it away so I picked up a can of sta-bil and figured I'd doctor the gas before it messed up my carb. as luck would have it the tank was low so I filled it up and figured to let the pony run for a while, well as long as I had the pup running figured what the heck why not light the big motor so after about 10 minutes brought everything up to speed got the oil pressure up and released the decompression and give her about a dozen more turns and opened the throttle and she fired up just like it was still summer, guess I forgot to mention it is only about 32 degrees today I guess it never ceases to amaze me that a 43 year old outdated engine design can start so well in the cold after setting for a month and a half compared to some of the later diesels that can make you lose your mind if the temp. drops under 50, well guess I better quit rambling on and get busy

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Dave K (Fl)

12-09-2002 14:55:36

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

Shoot guys, Never met a day too cold to start a gas engine on a JD. That was in NE Ohio and it got well below zero. Model A would always start right up no matter how cold. Why mess with a diesel? Yeah diesel fuel WAS cheaper in those days and they say the engne would lug better but I have seen many a 2 cyl gas engine lug down under load to where you can count the firing strokes and keep right on going.

Dave

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deereman josh

12-09-2002 12:50:32

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

hey ol'timer, what was the year on that 4020 you were talkin about. We had one of the later moedel ones and on a 80 degree day u still had to use ether to start the thing the first time in the morning. but never the less it was still a great tractor. alot better than the 6400 we got in trade

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Buckeye al

12-09-2002 10:48:37

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

My 70D was purchased after it sat for nearly three years on a dealer's lot. I made an offer & the dealer accepted. I charged the battery using it for a couple days in an old '55 Ford pick up we had. It had been drained so I filled it & changed the oil. Put a pint of gas in the pony & 5 gallons of #2 in the big tank. Gas leaked EVERYWHERE! It was just above freezing but I thought what the heck.... I'll give it a try. Pony jumped right to life. The diesel started like it had just been shut off. Clutch was so rusty it would not snap over center. Once, just to see if it would, I tried to start it at -12*F. I let it warm up for 'bout 10 minutes which seems like an eternity in an old dark barn back a lane. Once the pony had enough guts to crank over more than two compressions without dying, I closed the valves & hit the throttle. It blew some smoke on the second pair of compressions & jumped to life on the third but the diesel knock is tremendous at those temps!

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JD Ol'timer

12-08-2002 14:01:33

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

here's another story.. had a 4020 diesel that sat out all winter with no cover and no additive in the diesel; come spring time I was wondering what kind of problems I might have trying to start her. Turned the key and she fired right up, boy was I surprised!

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12-07-2002 23:47:29

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

Last week one morning it was -3 as a test my dad and I started up our 730's his is phony start, took 20 minutes of running and alot of cranking but finally started. Mine is electric start, 5 seconds of cranking and she was runnning.

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Tony

12-08-2002 19:55:06

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Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BW, 12-07-2002 23:47:29

I thought that I would put in my two cents, the 53 R that I had set for five years while over in Japan in the Navy, while home on leave I thought it would be fun to fire the old girl up and run it a few. After years of nothing, new gas in the pony, a few minutes ideling, the diesel didn't wait to fire. It must have been the first or second stroke and it was off to the races.
They say once diesel gets in the blood it will never leave.
Again my 2-cents, with change.

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Ralph

12-07-2002 19:13:31

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

I bought my 820 N of Regina a couple of years ago. I went to look at it, and I sure wish I knew what the temperature was that morning (I suspect it was less than 10F. Kim had a cover over it and had a small heater under there if I remember correctly. Hooked his 60 on it. It was about like leading a cat on a piece of string, first one wheel of the 820 would turn backwards and then the other on his gravel driveway. After about 75 - 100' with his 60 at full scratch in 2nd gear, the 820 lit up. Thanks Kim!!

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CJDave

12-07-2002 17:08:01

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

I grew up on Caterpillars which all had the starting engines to crank up the diesel. One thing we would do is crack the throttle for about three or four seconds when the diesel was first rolling over off compression, then when we flipped to compression it would semi-burn that tiny bit of diesel and that seemed to help get the fire going in the cylinders.Those Cats blew some dandy smoke rings while rolling over on compression. Some of the Cats had "half" which was a notch between NO compression and full compression.

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Clooney

12-07-2002 13:29:47

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Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to BJ, 12-07-2002 13:03:35

BJ, those 2-cylinder diesels don't start too bad with the pony. The pony heats the intake manifold & also heats the coolant around the head & cylinders. I have had some that start real good cold & others that will fight a little when cold & let you know it's too cold to work anyhow.
~The 720D I'm using for snowplow use this winter will start good down to about 20�F, if it's much below that it takes a good 10-15 minutes of pony running to start without cranking a while. I use about 1 gallon of kerosene to 10 gallons of #2 diesel. The other morning it was 11� below zero & it took about 15 min on the pony & about 10-15 seconds of cranking on compression only before fuel was added to get it to light up. I usually run the pony until I see the temp gage start to move then I know it will start. I plowed with it for over an hour & the thermostat never opened. Those 2-cylinder diesels don't make much heat when not worked hard in cold weather.

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Green Envy

12-07-2002 15:35:59

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Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to Clooney, 12-07-2002 13:29:47

I wonder what the record is for start up in the coldest temp for these 2-cyl disels. I know a guy that claims he started his 820 in 30 below zero weather.

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Bigdadjr

09-04-2006 18:22:53

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Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to Green Envy, 12-07-2002 15:35:59

Well if the pony will start then the temp won"t mean much, as you can use the pony to warm it up.

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Rodney A. Johnson

12-09-2002 06:23:48

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Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to Green Envy, 12-07-2002 15:35:59

My dad had a 730D electric start that he managed to get started at -10 F degrees. He turned off every accessory he could to reduce the strain on the electric start before attempting to start. I believe the batteries were almost new. I personally wouldn't want to try it if I didn't have to.

Normally we always had one tractor plugged in (tank heater or block heater) so we could get a tractor on the generator if the power went out (had a small dairy operation).

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F-I-T

12-07-2002 16:08:16

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Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to Green Envy, 12-07-2002 15:35:59

When we first got our 70D, we routinely started it at 0 F. Several times I can remember getting it fired up at -20. It was the envy of the neighborhood. The winter of '70-'71, I would drive around the section pull starting tractors so we could all get some work done. It was a very cold winter, and we were running a 227 picker on it. Still had some corn out in January. The snow would go up the elevator into the wagon in chunks.

I like it in Florida.....

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Poor Farm Jim

12-07-2002 16:34:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to F-I-T, 12-07-2002 16:08:16

Well maybe it was a good thing I was in Vietnam the winter of '70-'71. People say these old diesels won't start in the cold, but my 730D electric start will start at 15 degrees the first time it rolls over on compression. And, I don't have the biggest or best batteries in it. I don't think that's too bad. I'm going to try for 10 degrees this winter.

Poor Farm Jim

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g pop

12-07-2002 17:15:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to Poor Farm Jim, 12-07-2002 16:34:20

yes the old pony motor deisels do start pretty good for their age but the 55 series on up to present. direct start deisels have got them beat hands down.

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Matt

12-08-2002 19:12:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2-Cyl. Diesels in reply to g pop, 12-07-2002 17:15:06

I dont think so, I think the 2 cylinders still start better in the cold than the new tractors....

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