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John T

01-13-2003 16:38:07

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Well, Ive always been told if it aint broke dont fix it, but I went ahead and purchased Windows XP Full Version as opposed to an Upgrade, cuz my puter guru told me that way it was all new and by using it I wouldnt have any the old stuff or registry problems or errors and be all newwwww wwwww. Besides he said, he didnt have any upgrades in stock. So, I bought it but when I tried to install it cursed at me saying "You can have 2 different operating systems" you nincampoop, and it refused to install XP over ME version. Finally, I got it to install on my backup HaRD Drive cuz it didnt have version ME or any other windows. Then, I decided to change the name of Windows on my main hard drive and then it let me finally install XP. Sounds ok u think????? ?? Helllll lllll Nooooo ooooo ooo cuz then it works and boots BUT it ended up loosing all my old e mails and addresses and favorites PLUS I had to reinstall all the programs. My data was still okay, but no program worked till I reinstalled it grrrrr rrrrr r. Its my fault about the e mail adresses and favorites, I could have easily saved them and re-used, but on a normal upgrade u dont have to do that. MORAL OF THE STORY, use an upgrade version if ur existing windows is upgradeable, cuz that way you shouldnt loose any data or have to reinstall nothing. Use a full version if youre installing a whole new system or a new hard drive and are gonna later install all ur devices and software on it. Oh well, live n learn, but Im gettin too dern old to always have 2 learn things the hard way lol but my how experience is the BEST teacher. Ol John T Nordhoff

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John VB

01-14-2003 17:58:03

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

I never do an upgrade but opt for the full version. Save what you need, then reformat the hard drive and start with a clean slate. Most people have so much crap on their drives that a good cleaning is needed. Kind of like the shop bench.

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Clooney *A little country computer help*

01-14-2003 13:02:09

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

John, a little country computer help.....

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John T

01-14-2003 15:15:22

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Re: Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to Clooney *A little country computer help*, 01-14-2003 13:02:09

That would have been better n what I was feeling a couple days ago lol. Take Care my friend. John T

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KrisA

01-14-2003 12:15:37

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

If you ever are going to install a new version it is best to wipe out your hard drive and do a clean install. It will save you problems in the long run. Just my 2 cents. I have done enough of them and I have been burned like you many a time.

KrisA

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John Jenkins

01-14-2003 08:02:45

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

If you have access to a backhoe, dig a hole big enough for the computer to fit and about 6 feet deep. Place computer in the hole and refill with dirt. Go back inside and order a new MacIntosh with OSX. Problem solved. Seriously though, all computers have their quirks but having been a MAC (and Windows) user for 15 years, I can tell you that although cheaper, the Windows machines have 3 to 4 times as many problems as Macs. Not only that, but Macs are easier to troubleshoot and fix. In my industry, advertising/publishing, the Macs are the standard of the industry and my Macs are just like my old Deeres...they may have been a little more to purchase, but they work hard everyday and get the job done with almost no problems. Just my $.02.

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Bryan

01-14-2003 06:10:41

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

John T - did you know that your post reminded me of listening to the radio show host Mike Savage. He is pretty funny. Anyway, I opted for the "free" (plus 15.00 shipping) upgrade to XP after I purchased my new 'puter last year. Now it runs SOOOOO slooooowwww. And it's a Pentium 4 machine! I've been chompin' at the bit for a year trying to solve the problem. I guess you said it best "if it ain't broke, don't fix it.". I've really enjoyed your articles in GM! Thanks

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John T (Yo Clooney also)

01-14-2003 07:14:30

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Re: Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to Bryan , 01-14-2003 06:10:41

Bryan and Clooney, One thing I have done for years both on 98 and ME and now XP to speed things up, is to go to RUN, type in msconfig then run, select start up tab, then uncheck all but Explorer and Systray (98 and ME) and Disable ALL in XP. Many software programs by default set themselves to start up and run in the background anytime Windows starts (same as startign program then minimizing it) and that eats up precious Memory resources. If you look at the System Tray (lower right toolbar) and have a bunch of crap there, its all runnign taking up resources. The only thign I keep there is the clock and volume control, nothign else is needed. If you wanna run that program, go run it as usual and not have it sittin there running all the time UNNEEDED. The same can be achieved by going to many programs Preferences or Options and UNCHECKING the Start when Windows Starts box. On 98 and ME, if you press Ctrl Alt Delete simultaneously (to see whats running) the only thigns needed are Explorer and Systray and any Anti Virus stuff. On 98 and ME at the Start Up tab in msconfig, there are a few more thigns that have to be kept checked like Load Power Profile and a few Ive already 4 gotten since using XP now lol, but those are system type things, not programs, which you can uncheck. Clooney, I figure u already know this but wanted u 2 read it also. PS It helped speed me up when I went to 512 Meg of RAM also. Good Luck all Ol John T

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Clooney

01-14-2003 06:32:23

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Re: Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to Bryan , 01-14-2003 06:10:41

Bryan, try turning the system restore option OFF. That option keeps a copy of most everything you do for restoration purposes & slows the system down. You need a lot of memory for XT to function efficiently also & 256 Mg is a decent amount to help the system function smoothly...

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Hans

01-13-2003 21:15:00

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

John T,

Sorry to hear about the complications you had. No matter what version of Windows you have, whether it was purchased as "Full" or "Upgrade", they can all do the same things. The Upgrade version can be used to perform a clean install, but it will require you to enter an old Windows CD for verification. Either way, to do a clean install: boot to a DOS prompt and run \i386\winnt.exe from your CD-ROM. To perform an upgrade, run \i386\winnt32.exe from your CD-ROM while in Windows.

When upgrading from a 9x operating system to an NT OS, I always recommend performing a clean install because you will eventually end up having lots of compatibility problems with one thing or another. I use two hard drives so that I am able to keep my operating system and programs seperate from my data. You will have to re-install your programs along with your operating system, but losing important data will not be a problem and you don't have to struggle with deciding on whether you want to "upgrade" so you can easily retain your old stuff (but run into problems), or do a "clean install" with little or no errors (but you may lose some data).

When installing Windows XP, you will have to decide on what file system to use. FAT32 is the most compatible, but also the most vulnerable. NTFS provides support for larger drives and gives you file level security.

Overall my feeling is... if you're installing a new operating system, you might as well use all the new bells and whistles by doing a "clean install". Windows XP has features not present in previous "Home" operating systems because it is built on NT technology which is known for it's reliability and stability in the work place. The hardware abstraction layer alone is worth it because single programs will not be able to crash the entire operating system. The NTFS file system introduces higher security standards into the home which is necessary with computers and the internet becoming more and more popular. Doing an upgrade can implement these features, but I've found they're not as reliable when upgrading from 9x.

Oh well. Good luck in the future!

Hans Geisterfer
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator

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01-13-2003 19:49:02

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

Just finished building my fourth computer last month. Guess what....Win98SE for me. Does everything I need it to do and then some. All the way from mp3's to video editing. Only problem is Mr. Gates won't talk to me anymore. Oh well, better my pocket than his. Good luck getting everything back in order.

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Steve - IN

01-13-2003 18:11:34

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

John T,

A pro and a con.

To install an OEM version "properly" you should have reformatted the hard drive. Bet you're glad you didn't.

If they sell you an OEM version, they're supposed to bundle it with a new hard drive or uP, or motherboard to comply with MS license agreement provisions. As an officer of the court, you might want to make note of that.

If you migrate from Outlook to Eudora or Pegasus or vice versa, the emailer software should import all your old emails and addresses without too much problem. Thing is, that might mean some more expense.

Ain't it miserable when you have to relearn the lesson about not bein' broke - not to fix it?

Steve

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ChuckW

01-13-2003 17:09:34

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

The full version of XP does have an upgrade selection. It also has an option to keep the fat system or the new file system...don't remember but it is like ntmb or similar. Much more efficent for larger hard drives and new systems. There is just an upgrade version. Then there is an OEM version(this is meant only for complete install such as new systems). From my viewpoint it is much better to buy a new hard drive and install the system. Then you can quickly insert the old hard drive if you need the previous data.

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Clooney

01-13-2003 17:00:05

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

John, you should be able to find all your old missing data. For your address book just put *.wab in your find or search option & tell it to look in "my computer", you should be able to do the same for "favorites". Once found, just double click to open & read..[hopefully].
~You aren't finished with your problems yet, just wait until some of your older programs don't work correctly due to incorrect drivers for your new XT.....

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Techie Guy

01-13-2003 16:49:36

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Re: Windows XP Lesson in reply to John T, 01-13-2003 16:38:07

Full versions are meant to be installed as if the computer were new. They allow you to have a clean install so that none of the other junk comes thru from the old operating system. Upgrade versions are nice but you have to be careful. Just think how your computer woud run if it had originally run Windows 3.1 and had been upgraded everytime until you finally reached XP. That would be 4 upgrades on the same system and it would be a mess. I doubt you would ever get that far, but I have had much better luck installing full versions and bringing all of my info over than I have had with upgrades. Hope you're able to recover all of your important data. It's all there in your old Windows directory...

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