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51B starter (Clooney John T.)

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Jeff

01-29-2003 18:13:12




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Thank you for your reply, will work on it tomorrow and let you know what I find.

I have used three different batteries on this tractor and they have all been charged previously so I know that the battery is good. The battery cables are all large enough and look to be in good condition, I will however check them again or replace with different wire tomorrow.
The tractor runs good once I get it started, however I do remember that it does not seem to charge the battery much if at all.
It has a distributor, not a mag.
I have installed new plugs. points, rotor and condenser last fall, once started it ran good.
If I hold the starter switch down continually the starter (and belt pully) turns one revolution and comes to a complete stop then turns one more revolution and stops again over and over. It does not sound like the starter kicks out like a bad car starter does. It just slows to a stop then goes again.
I will check the starter switch tomorrow.
If possible let me know how to set the timing and I will try that too.
Thanks for all your help.

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John T

01-30-2003 06:08:39




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 Re: 51B starter (Clooney John T.) in reply to Jeff, 01-29-2003 18:13:12  
Youre welcome Jeff, well, it looks like the battery is not the problem, and if shes not timed like wayy too fast and removing the plug wires doesnt make much difference in how she cranks,(see clooneys timing check below) we are left with a cable or connection or starter switch or starter problem. Removal of the starter switch will show a lot, if its not all burned and pitted and the post out the side of the starter isnt all burned, carboned, or pitted, then it may well be a draggy starter caused by worn bushings or worn brushes etc etc etc. If the ground happens to be attached to a rusty battery box and you have sufficient cable length, you might try reattachign it direct to the tractors frame. Like I said below, any bad ground or battery or cable connection can casue slow cranking or even a bad cable end which has carbon built up under its crimp you cant see by looking. I always suspect and often find a bad cable end or bad ground or connection assuming the battery is good, and many connections can look good to the eye, but have carbon under them or carbon isnide the crimp. You might just remove and clean and re conenct them all first, and then if she is still a slow cranker, suspect the switch or starter post then the starter itself. Let us konw, Ol John T

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Clooney

01-30-2003 04:05:03




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 Re: 51B starter (Clooney John T.) in reply to Jeff, 01-29-2003 18:13:12  
Jeff, how did it crank with the ignition switch turned off?… If that didn't make a difference, the ignition timing isn't the issue. If it [did] make a difference you should re-set the ignition timing.

~ To re-set the timing… remove the L/H spark plug [or better yet both spark plugs] & the tin cover from the center of the flywheel cover. Then turn the engine in the direction of rotation using the starter until the L/H cylinder is just coming up on compression, then put the tractor in high gear [clutch engaged] & roll [or bump] the tractor forward or rearward until the punch mark on the flywheel hub lines up with the dimple on the flywheel cover hole [the flywheel slot should be parallel with the floor at this time]. Then loosen the distributor retaining bolts & rotate the top of the distributor all the way forward, then re-install the L/H spark plug in the plug wire & lay it on the block where you can see it from the distributor side of the tractor, then turn the ignition switch on & s-l-o-w-l-y rotate the top of the distributor to the rear until you see a spark across the L/H plug. That’s all there is to it. Then tighten the distributor down & re-assemble everything.

~If the ignition timing isn’t the cause of the problem, suspect a starter problem or wire resistance problem. Pay close attention to the ground side of the system & where the battery grounds to the battery box, & where the battery box grounds to the tractor rear end housing. Clean the battery cable ground connection to the battery box then clean & install new bolts & washers where the battery box bolts to the tractor. Make sure the ground cable is big enough & if it’s the woven strap type make sure it isn’t corroded & thin. Over the years I have found that many starting problems are related to that battery box ground area. If originality isn’t a big concern you might want to just run a heavy duty 2/0 battery ground cable from the battery ground post directly to a [new & shiny] battery box bolt in the rear end housing & chase the threads in the rear end housing with a tap prior to installing the bolt.

~If the starter cables & ground cable aren’t the problems you will probably have to pull the starter & look for worn brushes, worn bushings, poor solder connections, dirty commutator, or signs of overheating & burnt wires. If nothing obvious found you should probably have it tested at a starter/generator shop.

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Don

01-30-2003 00:03:56




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 Re: 51B starter (Clooney John T.) in reply to Jeff, 01-29-2003 18:13:12  
Try opening the petcocks and see if that makes the tractor turn over faster. There should be two petcocks on the bottom of the block-at least there is on my '48 B. I usually open them if the tractor hasn't been started for awhile or if the weather is really cold. Seems to help. I have a twelve system which really turns the starter much better than the six volt did.



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Gene Davis

01-29-2003 20:18:46




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 Re: 51B starter (Clooney John T.) in reply to Jeff, 01-29-2003 18:13:12  
Sounds like the starter may be dragging, holding it down like that is a good way to burn up starter, also check for a good ground or high resistance in the circuit, also for a loose connection where the contact post is soldered to the field coil inside the housing, real interesting job to solder it back if loose. Gene Davis



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