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Re: MF50 Crying Time

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Wayne in Knoxvi

01-28-2002 19:50:13




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Man, I feel your pain.I am eager to hear what everyone else thinks.I don't have a clue.Is it diesel? Do you think mechanic may have used a bit too much starting fluid. At 40 yrs. experience he probably knows the limit.I've seen what it can do to internals and won't use it.




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Bob Miller

01-29-2002 04:37:44




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 Re: Re: MF50 Crying Time in reply to Wayne in Knoxville, 01-28-2002 19:50:13  
Yes, the MF50 is a Diesel with the A3-152 Perkins Engine. He states that the problem does indeed resemble too much starting fluid, however, he also swears he did not use any. I have never used any of the stuff on any of my tractors. He is also very shocked. He says that even if he had been stupid enough to not use any oil in the piston assembly process he doubts if the damage would have been as severe. I am very nervous as to how this scene will play out. I have one of the pistons on my desk that came out of the engine after forty years of use, it is not damaged as bad as the new one with only two plus hours of operation. I hope we find something. Thanks for the inquiry.
Bob

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J.Simmons

01-30-2002 20:37:11




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 Re: Re: Re: MF50 Crying Time in reply to Bob Miller, 01-29-2002 04:37:44  
Perkins uses the thin sleves.If he did not use the right length tool to put them in it can and will make them oval. Which can be fixed by boreing after installing .Sounds like alot of trouble but I know from experiance. I have a AC 175 w/236 4 cld same problem to the T .Just my 2 cents



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Wayne in Knoxville

01-30-2002 17:49:06




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 Re: Re: Re: MF50 Crying Time in reply to Bob Miller, 01-29-2002 04:37:44  
Bob please let us know what developes! I agree with the others,you should not be responsible for this.I'm sure this is strange situation for you.Perhaps you could talk with Big Dean when he gets back from CA. He is an expert!



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Jack in NB

01-29-2002 10:59:28




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 Re: Re: Re: MF50 Crying Time in reply to Bob Miller, 01-29-2002 04:37:44  
Ouch.

We've had four similar failures in the Perkins 152/203 engines caused by overheating, and one from excess ether. The ether caused cracked liner tops and broken rings. The overheating caused scuffing.

Overheating resulted from overloading, plugged rad, failed thermostat - and operator not paying attention to the temp gauge.....

The Mack engine Failure Analysis Manual lists several scuffing causes: Overheating, Marginal lubrication, Insufficient clearance, Improper cyl and piston finish, Improper break-in, and Oil oxidation. From your description, the first or third would seem possibilities.

Overheating causes:
cooling system not operating properly
loss of coolant
excessive fuel (overloading, lugging)
retarded injector pump timing
restricted air intake
insufficient piston cooling (unlikely on the Perkins, unless the con rod bearings are too tight)
loose sleeve fit

Insufficient clearance:
incorrect piston to liner clearance
tight sleeves (causing sleeve distortion)
tight piston pins
incorrect ring gap or fit in grooves

Perhaps these may provide some clues.

The plus - the dealer warranty....

Please let us know what you find.

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