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Costco Tractor Fluid?

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Chuck, WA

09-01-2002 07:17:21




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I have a MF35 with Perkins diesel. When I asked him what hydraulic fluid to use, the retired friend I bought it from who reconditions tractors for fun and profit said he uses Costco fluid in all the tractors he works on. Easy solution and inexpensive!

Well, when I got to Costco, they had a pallet of five gallon buckets of three fluids - one a hydraulic fluid, one a gear lube (80W90) and one called Premium Tractor Fluid. My friend lives in another town, so I couldn't get his advice, so thought I'd ask here.

My MF manual says SAE90 mineral oil "from your Massey dealer" - naturally, the most expensive solution, plus the nearest Massey dealer is 40 miles away. The MF35 uses the same fluid for transmission, differential and hydraulics, thus causing my confusion on the three fluids at Costco.

My question is, does anybody know about the Costco fluids and which would be right? They really don't say much on the label, but the "tractor fluid" does say it's spec'd for John Deere J-20C and A, plus a bunch of other specs including MF Permatran III. Since the manual was written in 1964 (a the latest - that being the year of my tractor), I would guess that there are newer and better fluids to be using, and wondered if Massey Permatran III might not be the modern recommended fluid for all MF tractors.

I was also curious about the term "tractor fluid." Is this a common term that tractor folks know? If so, what does it include?

I bought the "tractor fluid" but haven't opened it yet, and can return it, but wanted to try to get some information first, hoping that it's the right stuff to be using.

Any comments from y'all would sure be appreciated. I'll cross-post this to the Tractor Talk board as well.

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Randy

09-01-2002 17:42:19




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 Re: Costco Tractor Fluid? in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-01-2002 07:17:21  
Chuck: I reread your letter. Got something else to add. My manual says 80wt, that's what I went by. If your's says 90wt, you should use what your manual says. "Tractor fluid" would be Permatran type stuff, or "UTTO"-Universal Tractor Transmission Oil as they say in the oil business. The 80w90 gear lube is probably GL5 for auto rear axles, don't use, it's bad for the pump, it will sludge it up, and then will need rebuilding, and worse yet, it will keep coming off the inside of the gear case and keep sludging your pump. The hydraulic fluid is likely totally wrong, not a lube oil, your tranny would be wrecked in no time flat. The tractor fluid is likely the closest thing to being right out of the 3. You could use it during winter so the lift works quicker, try it in the summer, and if your lift stops working when the oil gets hot, then change to 90wt for the summer. Just store the Permatran in clean, sealed oil pails during the summer. If your lift is sluggish in the winter, put the Permatran back in, and store the 90wt. Some guys do this. You could ask Big Dean, he has loads of experience on this.

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Chuck, WA

09-02-2002 07:23:30




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 Re: Re: Costco Tractor Fluid? in reply to Randy, 09-01-2002 17:42:19  
Randy...Thanks for the replies. While waiting for replies, I searched the archives on this site and found pretty much what you've said - that Permatran is the current MF fluid and that it works fine. A couple of the posts mentioned that they thought the 80/90 gear lube was a little too heavy. Sounds like the tractor fluid is the best bet, so will go ahead and use it.

Thanks again for the very informative replies. Good info and goes along with my intuition and what I've found.

Y'all have a good holiday today, if that's what you're planning!

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Randy

09-01-2002 17:13:17




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 Re: Costco Tractor Fluid? in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-01-2002 07:17:21  
Chuck: Confused?? It's easy to be on this topic! I put the Permatran type fluid in my 35 2 years ago, and while it works ok for me(I use it mostly in winter), the right oil is 80 weight mineral oil with a GL-1 spec. Don't use GL-5 gear oil, like you would put in a car or truck rear axle, because it leaves deposits in your tranny and hydro pump. If your hydro pump is in real good condition, the Permatran will be ok, but if it's worn some, your rear lift will stop working once it gets hot in the summer. It's too thin. Then switch to 80 wt, and it should work fine in hot weather. The MF spec number is M1103. Also, don't go by what the Ford N's use. one might think since they are similar, that what they recommend would apply to our 35's too, but NO. They're rec'd fluid is 134D at NH dealers, the same thing as Permatran. So,how it works in hot weather is the acid test. Hope this helps.

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