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Brian

10-31-2002 19:06:20




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I have a 69 Massey 135 diesel with 2000 hours. Runs greast in the summer, but it's getting colder now and it doesn't want to start. Slow to crank, etc. I understand that diesel engines have difficulty in the cold, but I would like some tips short of a heated barn on how to start in the cold weather. Any ideas?




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john kiley

09-15-2004 07:22:53




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
my 1995 chev diesel glow plug lite don't come on and the van don't start.After I get it started the glow plugs come on.



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Ricky in NC

11-02-2002 16:14:40




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
My MF-35 has a 3 cyl A3-152 Perkins Diesel. It doesn't get as cold here as in Pa but the Perkins Diesel always cranks easily. It cranked even when the piston skirt broke off in #2 cylinder. It had fuel injection to the intake at one time but that has been disconnected for the past 25 years or so. I would never use starting fluid in the diesel. It removes any lubrication from the upper part of the cylinder and damages the piston rings. I would go after battery, cables, starter, or block heater like the other people suggest. My Dad had trouble with it once but the fuel system was clogged. He never cleaned the filters. I cleaned the fuel lines and filters, it starts easily.

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Big Dean

11-02-2002 10:40:17




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
I would strongly advice you not to use starting fluid it only takes a very little to much one time to bust the pistons in a Perkins engine. One thing that I have not seen on any of the other post is battery cables good battery cables are a must on those engines to make them turn fast enough to ignite the fuel. That has been the number one thing I have found causing them to turn slow. those little cheap battery cables sold at most parts stories will not start one.

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Eth'oholic

11-02-2002 09:58:15




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
Don't.. I repeat DON'T use ether in a 135 3 cyl.
If it won't start without it there is something seriously wrong with your engine. The 152 perkins always starts, if the compression and battery are ok.

As with all other diesels, using ether causes addiction to the darn stuff. The compression rings carve the piston grooves out or break.

Use the preheater as specified in cold weather procedure or better, add a block heater.

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Scot from Pa.

11-01-2002 14:37:56




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
All suggestions are very good but the best thing to help you is install a block heater and use it.



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Wayne in TN.

11-01-2002 18:00:10




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 Re: Re: cold start diesel in reply to Scot from Pa., 11-01-2002 14:37:56  
In my opinion,the block heater is the best idea.Stay away from starting fluids and use only as a last resort.This stuff will ruin a engine if too much is used.Make sure your battery is in good condition and for the love of Pete don't install a cheap one.I did this and learned from my mistake! Good Luck!



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Alberta Mike

11-01-2002 10:03:34




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
I don't know how cold it gets there but one thing that is seldom done is bringing your battery inside. I know it might be a problem on some tractors getting the battery out but I'll tell you, even a new battery loses a tremendous amount of it's cranking power when it's cold outside and an older battery is even worse. It's like having a towtruck guy there and getting a boost, no kidding. Obviously you might have other problems as well.

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brian

11-01-2002 08:51:22




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
Thanks for the advice



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me

11-01-2002 04:49:09




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
The Massey-Ferguson 135 Diesel is supposed to be a very good starter in a cold weather if the starter motor and battery are good. 2000 hours don't seem quite much to me so the engine should be in a good condition. We have a MF-135 and it starts in cold temps (below zero degrees Celcius) even if the battery is low and if it hasn't been used for months. Have you checked if the adjustments are correct such as the timing, valve gap etc.? And bytheway we have never had to use the glow plugs. I don't even know if they work. It is a 1965 model.

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marlowe

10-31-2002 19:44:37




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
one more thing use a fuel additive or blend your fuel so it don't gel up. that's it from me have a good one



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marlowe

10-31-2002 19:44:19




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
one more thing use a fuel additive or blend your fuel so it don't gel up. that's it from me have a good one



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marlowe

10-31-2002 19:36:31




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 Re: cold start diesel in reply to Brian, 10-31-2002 19:06:20  
change fuel filters make sure your battery is good and is big enuff cca.no less then 1000. make sure your starter is up to par. and make sure you have a block heater if your in real cold . it takes a lot of power to spin a diesel fast to start also use a lighter oil and if you have a glow plug make sure it works and the last resort is a LITTLE starting fuild ONLY A LITTLE but if all is up to par it will start with out starting fuild.my loaders start at -30 all the time but they are plugged in when not in use. the joy of winter

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Thys de Wet from South Africa

10-31-2002 23:56:20




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 Re: Re: cold start diesel in reply to marlowe, 10-31-2002 19:36:31  
Great recommendations there. Also check that your cold start injector on your MF (3cyl Perkins I assume?) is working 100%.
I'd go along with having your starter also checked and serviced. Maybe the bushes and brushes needs to be replaced, and lubricated. I'd also go along with a lighter grade of lubricating oil for the engine.
Also check that your charging system is putting out enough volts (13.8v) and oomph, and that your battery is fully charged with proper electolyte level per cell.
Use starting fluid as a last resort.

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C. T. in Oklahoma

11-01-2002 17:09:18




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 Re: Re: Re: cold start diesel in reply to Thys de Wet from South Africa, 10-31-2002 23:56:20  
I would like to re-emphasize the previous post. If you are not familiar with diesel engines, starting fluid can cause serious ring/piston problems. If you do use it, use it sparingly. C. T.



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