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Mike B

05-13-2003 05:25:10

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I need information on the standard diesel engine.
Reliability verses a perkins, are parts easy to get. Did Massey put one in a 135 tractor?
Thanks Mike B

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Mike B

05-21-2003 19:42:59

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

Thank you for your information. It sound like it might be a neat tractor for play/hobby but I'll stick with the Perkins. Mike B

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Ali, fae Crieff

05-17-2003 01:20:37

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

Mike B, The 23c engine was not used in the 135, by all accounts the Perkins A3,152 engine is vastly superior, and you could also try Bertie Dunlop in Northen Ireland for 23c parts. Bertie is at www.dunlophydraulics.co.uk cheers, Ali.

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simon ridout

05-14-2003 12:42:09

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

I have a Ferguson 35 with a 23c engine. It was a bugger to start until I had an exchange cylinder head fitted with glow plugs. 30 seconds of heat and it starts easily. I also have a MF 35 with a perkins 3 cylinder engine, yes it starts at a turn of the key, no glowplugs to warm up, however it cost more and has had a harder life, gearbox, hydraulics and rear linkage are much more worn.

Finally, an old Somerset farmer said to me, dont worry if the 23c sounds uneven when it warms up or idles, they were like that when new!

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David (Scotland)

05-14-2003 01:42:06

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

For a working tractor, if you have the option, choose the Perkins every single time.

Standard is an obsolete engine and parts can be found but with the Perkins they are very easy to get. Also Perkins starts much more easily. Standard 23c was known for starting problems and will usually need heated for every cold (or even lukewarm) start. Perkins starts from cold eaily invariably without any heating. Its also well tried and tested and is strong and reliable. Not that Standard isn't. Standard 20c as fitted to T20 diesels, didn't have the same starting problems as the 23c.

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John de Marrais

05-13-2003 18:44:25

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

I had a tractor with the same Ricardo Brothers Standard Diesel. MF used it as well as few other tractor companies in the late 50s/early 60s. I had it in my Allis Chalmers ED-40. Parts were miserable to impossible to get for the engine, and that was 10 years ago. I had a rod start knocking, and I figured I'd check on parts availabliltiy before tearing it down. Almost nothing was available. I wrote a few letters to England but got no answers. This was before the Internet was in full swing, so maybe it would be easier to find something now. There's a guy on this Website that wrote an article about his Allis ED-40, but I didn't get an answer from him when I asked about his source for parts. So . . . I've been a heavy equipment mechanic for over 30 years and the Standard engine was the only one I couldn't find parts for. By the way, I have a parts book and most of a gasket set for the engine. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't even buy a head gasket for it.

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Roy in UK

05-13-2003 13:14:56

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

The MF 135 diesel was fitted with a Perkins 3 cylinder AD3 152

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Lynn Ott

12-08-2003 15:04:55

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Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Roy in UK, 05-13-2003 13:14:56

Did you ever come up with any information on the ED-40? I'm in the process of restoring one now.

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Sean B

05-13-2003 06:21:23

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Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Mike B, 05-13-2003 05:25:10

I hear that the Perkins is better simply because the parts are easier to find and that it has glow plugs, so cold weather starts are easier. I am not sure the Perkins were put in the 135's, but count the cylinders, the Standard engines are four cylinders and the Perkins are three cylinders.

I have TO-35 with the Standard and like it very much. Mine has glow plugs, but from what I understand these are a non-factory addition. The engine is not hard to start and produces a generous supply of power.

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Norman

05-14-2003 11:56:28

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Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Sean B, 05-13-2003 06:21:23

Glow plugs were factory fitted on Banner Lane (UK) produced tractors with the 23C engine from 1959 onwards. Maybe some export markets remained without?
While the Perkins starts much better, I would prefer the Standard engine if I want the tractor for show or playing. It runs much smoother and quiter due to its four cylinder. Engines with a strain number of cylinders will always run smoother. But for work a Perkins modell will be the best. Parts are available through Sparex-UK - are they in the Staates too?- or the major UK Ferguson parts dealer. Look at www.fofh.u-net.com for them. The 20C engine was used in the TE-F while the later 23C was used in the Ferguson 35s and early MF35s.

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C. T. in Oklahoma

05-13-2003 16:51:53

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Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Sean B, 05-13-2003 06:21:23

Sean, I have an FE35 Perkins diesel and it does not have glow plugs. It is easy to start. C. T.

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Matt Jones

05-16-2003 14:21:32

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Re: Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 05-13-2003 16:51:53

Hey did a complete rebuild on my 23C about 2 years ago. Some parts can be a bugger but I was able to get all of them except Timing gears ( did get a chain). Chain tensioner, and a few other odds and ends. I feel the parts were a bit more $$ than some other. But now I got something that is uncommon and a rare find. I have heard nothing but good thing about the perkins, and if I knew what I knew know I probably would have left the 23C alone.

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Sean B

05-14-2003 14:58:25

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Re: Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 05-13-2003 16:51:53

I do not claim to be expert on these tractors. I just started reading as much matiral as I could when I got mine a couple of months ago. Everything I have read until now, about the Perkins engine vs. Standard engine were mostly about the Perkins having glow plugs and not the Standard, easier to start because of it and the Perkins parts are eiser to find. The funny part is that I have a MF35 with 23C Standard w/glow plugs and you have a Perkins with out glow plugs.

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C. T. in Oklahoma

05-16-2003 16:29:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to Sean B, 05-14-2003 14:58:25

Sean, you are way ahead of me! I have seen posts on this site that make me wonder if my FE-35 is factory original. My Ser. # SNFY360173, doesn't indicate dual clutch, but it is. I learn something new fairly often on this site. Thanks for the input. C. T.

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Parts Sources for 23C

05-14-2003 10:17:30

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Re: Re: Re: Standard Diesel Engine Information in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 05-13-2003 16:51:53

A & I has good stocks of 20 and 23C parts at their Canadian warehouses (formerly Vapormatic Canada).

These should be available through their dealer network. If not, drop me a note.

Jack in NB

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