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Transmission/Hydraulic fluid.

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Ali, fae Crieff

09-07-2003 02:09:47




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Hi guys, this is primarily for john(UK), but anyone can chip in. John, your recent post on the TE 20 hydraulics was very informative but I have a problem you might be able to comment on.We have 3 tractors and I am using the same oil in each of them, they are a Mk1 65, Mk2 65, and a 1967 MF135, we also use with each tractor a Ferguson 3ton trailer of unknown history and occasionaly get a loan of a friends modern trailer.My queries are,1)How serious might contamination from the trailers be? i.e. the modern trailer will possibly have multigrade oil and we haven't a clue as to what might be in the Fergy trailer ram. 2)As the handbooks of the Mk2 65 and the 135 quote universal oil and cleaning of the hydraulic pump oil strainer, are they less of a worry? 3) Am I likely to cause damage to my Mk1 65 by using the universal oil and these unknown trailers as there is no mention of an oil strainer in the Mk1 handbook. Cheers Ali.

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john(UK)

09-07-2003 06:26:20




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 Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to Ali, fae Crieff., 09-07-2003 02:09:47  
Yes it is a bit of a problem now. The early tractors didnt have a filter fitted and the use of Multi-grade oils will not help at all, but the amount of oil that is exchanged each time is the problem not any contamination as such (dirt,grit etc although that is a problem too) its the dilution of the straight mineral oil with a detergent oil. All I can suggest is that you change the oil maybe a little more often than you would do normally and watch for any discolouration. Check the rubber boots round the gear levers that they are in good condition so they prevent any water leaking in that way. With a straight mineral oil you get a sludge forming that will trap all the foreign matter in it if you have detergent based oils, sludge doesn't form and the foreign matter is carried around the system causing premature wear.

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Ali, fae Crieff.

09-07-2003 10:32:52




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 Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to john(UK), 09-07-2003 06:26:20  
Thanks john(UK),looks like I'd better change the oil in the old 65,can you reccomend a supplier for S.A.E. 40 oil? Cheers,Ali.



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john(UK)

09-07-2003 14:37:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to Ali, fae Crieff., 09-07-2003 10:32:52  
Hi Ali, Any of the major supplies will do it, have a word with the guy who supplies your fuel, he is bound to have it. You need a straight MINERAL oil, no multi-use or any with detergent in it, and dint let him try to persuade you. (as they do)...Regards...John



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CityBoy

09-07-2003 07:08:52




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 Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to john(UK), 09-07-2003 06:26:20  
Good post john(UK). So what are your thoughts on the use of PermaTrans III in tractors for which SAE 80/90 GL1 mineral oil was originally specified? Mine is a MF35 and does have a filter.

An article on this site talks about GL1 being better for non-syncromesh transmissions. Being ignorant as I am about these things I've always associated non-syncromesh with grinding gears. My MF35 has a universal fluid in it and grinds when engaging engine PTO. Is there a connection between the grinding and the use of universal fluids versus GL1?

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john(UK)

09-07-2003 08:30:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to CityBoy, 09-07-2003 07:08:52  
No none at all, the problem lies with your PTO clutch being our of adjustment or maybe worn badly, probably just the first one. If it has a filter there is no problem its when there is no filter that the problem arises and you need to stay with the straight mineral oil for the resons I gave in the ealier posting.



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CityBoy

09-07-2003 14:30:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to john(UK), 09-07-2003 08:30:26  
Thanks John. I am now a bit more educated. Learned everything I know so far from people like you on this board.



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john(UK)

09-07-2003 14:34:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to CityBoy, 09-07-2003 14:30:50  
The only thing you have to do ...IS ASK, any problem anytime



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CH

09-07-2003 05:57:08




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 Re: Transmission/Hydraulic fluid. in reply to Ali, fae Crieff., 09-07-2003 02:09:47  
I would be on the cautious side and put a twenty micron filter in the return line. Can't hurt.



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