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mf 65 diff. lock ?

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Badger

10-04-2003 15:52:11




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I have what I believe is a 1964 MF65. Tucked just under and inside of the draft controls is a lever with a fold out pedal which goes to the rear end. My owners manual makes no mention of it. I was told by someone on this site that it is for locking up the differential. Thing is it doesnt seem to want to engage. The lever won't move up although it will go down, although you must keep foot pressure on it to remain in the down position. Can anybody shed any light on this for me ? thanks Bob.

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Leroy

10-05-2003 19:07:50




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 Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Badger, 10-04-2003 15:52:11  
Differential lock is made so that when one wheel is spinning you press the pedal down and it will stay down as long as the one wheel does not have traction, when you get to spot where both wheels pull equaly it will automatic unlock, If with it in lock mode and you want to make a turn kick the pedal once and it will free it so you can make the turn, brakes will also unlock, Should be same on all makes, used Ford and J D with

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Jack in NB

10-05-2003 02:59:08




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 Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Badger, 10-04-2003 15:52:11  
The operative mechanism is a toothed collar - about 4" dia - that slides on splines on the axle, in near the transmission. When the collar is pushed toward the transmission the teeth engage in matching teeth on the differential, in effect locking the two axles together.

As Parts man says, the pedal operates the linkage. It's clamped to a shaft which has a kind of wedge inside the casting (held on with 4 cap screws). The wedge pushes on a 3/4" rod running in toward the transmission (moves the rod in a half inch or so to engage), that in turn is coupled to the sliding collar with a bracket like the ones operating the transmission speed selection gears.

We've had three problems (the third one twice). First, the pedal shaft sticks (with rust) and the clamp on the pedal lets the pedal move without turning the shaft. This is visible from outside.

Second, the inside 3/4" rod sticks. Again, rust. The pedal and wedge move, but the rod doesn't. The wedge tries to move the shaft, but the pedal has rotated on the shaft because of the clamp arrangement. It's kind of a safety valve - if it was pinned, the wedge would break. To check, remove the casting and see if you can move the rod toward the transmission with a pry bar. It should move fairly easily - at least a quarter inch, maybe the full half inch if the teeth are lined up.

If that works, replace the casting and adjust the pedal so it fetches up solid before the pedal hits the steel foot plate.

If the rod won't move, we've had to remove the axle housing to free it up. At this point, ask yourself if you need the lock enough to warrant this exercise!

Then try it out. Move slowly forward, turning left or right, holding the pedal down to engage it. It should engage and lock. If the pedal drops to the plate, stop there and re-adjust so you have a quarter inch of clearance.

If it doesn't lock, or you feel a bump - bump- bump on the pedal, you have the third problem: the teeth on the collar have been destroyed because somebody tried to engage the diff lock with the wheels spinning, and cut them off. The broken teeth drop to the bottom of the axle housing, and haven't ground anything else up on our machines.

If you have this problem, see the question above. Those collars are pricey. A&I distributors have them, cheaper than MF.

Good luck - let us know how you make out.

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Badger

10-05-2003 06:52:02




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 Re: Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Jack in NB, 10-05-2003 02:59:08  
Thanks for the input. When it stops raining, I'll go out and play with the tractor and let you know how I made out. It's funny that I've lived in farm country for 25 years and I never had any contact with farm tractors. Too busy with trucks , motorcycles and racing. Now that I've gotten a tractor, it's like the most awesome piece of machinary I've ever owned. I race speedway motorcycles, no brakes, 0 to 60 in three seconds. 4 lap races in under 60 seconds, but I think my tractor is more exciting ! My old lady thinks I'm nuts. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Thanks.

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Douro Bob

10-05-2003 10:44:55




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 Re: Re: Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Badger, 10-05-2003 06:52:02  
Interesting comment. I have a new neighbour and he is seriously interested in my TEA 2085. He has a Honda Goldwing and the first time he was on the tractor wondered why he had so much money tied up in the bike when the tractor was so much more fun and interesting.

I like to think of it as maturing but I think my wife and his believe it is just another stage of childhood - I hope they are both right.

Bob

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Badger

10-07-2003 04:00:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Douro Bob, 10-05-2003 10:44:55  
Bob,
Good point about growing up. As for me, trying not to. For me alot has to do with how the tractor relates with this countrys history. I've been reading alot of tractor books. I never gave it much thought that the farm tractor is quite poss. the most important piece of machinary ever built. Plus it's hard to believe that a machine could work so hard and still be totally viable 40 years later, quite cool.

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Bill

10-08-2003 06:08:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Badger, 10-07-2003 04:00:07  
I purchased my first tractor 6 years ago at age 40! I'm the proud owner of a third hand 1973 165 diesel with a Westendorf loader (lightly used for snow). She's only got 3000 hrs on her. My oldest son just gave me a metal sign that reads "Still Plays With Tractors"...Yeah and proud of it!



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parts man

10-04-2003 17:44:45




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 Re: mf 65 diff. lock ? in reply to Badger, 10-04-2003 15:52:11  
That is indeed the dif lock. It is spring loaded so that it comes up without pressure on it. Check that the linkage that goes into the axle housing is moving when you press the pedal.



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