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Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help

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Chris

07-12-2004 17:41:41




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This will be a little long so I'm sorry but I need some help getting my grandpa's 1958 TO-35 Deluxe working again. Last weekend end I put on a new cap, rotor, plugs, wires, coil, battery, engine oil, gear oil, oil filter, re-wired it, etc.. (Grandpa converted the tractor to 12 Volts at some point in time if thats of concern). I began to shred the first 65 acres at his farm when the tractor began to act up. It tractor started good and ran well with no load, but as soon a i dropped the bush hog and began cutting the grass, the tractor began to run really rough and not cut very well. I would put in the clutch, let the RPM's pick back up and and try to continue. This went on all day, eventully the tractor just had very little power. The tractor was also consistently backfiring (more of a loud popping) out of the air cleaner tube, to a point where oil from the oil bath air cleaner was comming out the top. I stopped and rechecked the gap on the new points I put in and they were still between .022 and .025". I then loosened the bolt that holds the distributor shaft and turned it until I could hear the idel change. I rotated it about 20 degrees counter clockwise and the backfiring stopped, but the engine didn't sound as strong. I continued to shread but still had very little power. The next day, the tractor started running very well for the first few minutes then it began to act as if it was running out of gas or the timming was drastically changing. I would have to stop, put in the clutch and wait for the RPM's to pick back up. Sometimes that didn't even help and the engine would die and I would have to let it sit for 5 - 10 minutes before it would start again. When it did start, it would run REALLY strong for about 45 seconds and then start to cut out, hesistate, miss and eventuly die. I got frustrated and quit shreadding. I bought a carb kit but have not put it on yet. I'm pretty sure its a fuel or ingition problem but don't know which. After I rebuild the card hopefully I will know. I looked for timing marks on the flywheel but couldn't find any (I do have a timming light) but what would be the correct timming if it has marks?? Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. I had an old truck at one point in time that did something similar, where it would run fine and then start to run rough and die. The problem was the key-way on the crank shaft got wore out and had alot of slop in it, which translated to the timing gears. This lead to a condition where my timming was constantly changing. Does this tractor have timing gears, belt or chain. If any, do these need to be replaced? My grandpa recently passed away and this has been his light duty tractor for years on his 260 acres. However, I don't ever seam to recall him having troubel with it, nor did he ever do much preventive maintenance on it. I guess the spirit of the tractor may have went when he did. I would really like to get this thing running because I need to keep is farm looking good so my parents don't decide to sell it and I know this tractor has years of good work left in it. I have lots of fond memories of the farm and tractor and don't want to loose them now. Thanks, Chris the Grandson

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Justin-PA

07-13-2004 14:30:39




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 Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Chris, 07-12-2004 17:41:41  
I agree with Ben, you should look at the fuel system. My TO-35 did the very same thing. Turned out to be some small grass/dirt in the sediment bowl. Remove the sediment bowl and fuel lines and carb and clean everything. Also flush out the gas tank. There may even be a screen in the fuel line just before the carb. There are rebuild kits available for the sediment bowl, if your seals are shot. Hope this helps.

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Russ

07-13-2004 17:58:09




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 Re: Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Justin-PA, 07-13-2004 14:30:39  
TO-35; MAY YOUR GRANDFATHERS WARM SPIRIT SHINE DOWN UPON YOU EACH AND EVERY DAY. I AGREE WITH JUSTIN AND NORM OF ONT. YOU WILL LIKELY FIND YOUR PROBLEM IN THE FUEL SYSTEM. CLEAN OUT THE SCALE AND RUST FROM THE FUEL TANK. MAKE SURE THE FUEL STRAINER WIRE BOOT IN TANK NIPPLE AND RESERVE TUBE ARE CLEANED OUT WITH ACETONE AND A AIR HOSE QUILL. MAKE SURE A PENCIL SIZE STREAM OF FRESH GAS FROM THE LINE CONNECTION TO THE CARB INPUT CAN FLOW UNIMPEDED INTO A LARGE BOWL OR 5 GAL PAIL CATCH. AT THIS POINT YOU SHOULD BE GOLDEN, FOLLOW NORM'S EXCELLENT GUIDANCE AND RESTORE THE DIST. TIMING POSITION BY EAR. MAX RPM AND THEN BACK DOWN A TAD.
NO TIME TO DELAY YOU HAVE 260 ACRES TO TEND TO.
GOOD LUCK AND MAY GOD BLESS.

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ben uk

07-13-2004 10:50:21




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 Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Chris, 07-12-2004 17:41:41  
Have you tried cleaning out the petrol tank?

We had a lorry that did this, and a friend had a fergie that would do the same thing. Both were due to crud in the tank blocking fuel lines. Maybe try runnig it from a different tank.



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tractor dan

07-13-2004 06:29:04




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 Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Chris, 07-12-2004 17:41:41  
The problem is probably something simple - condenser? crack in coil? bad timing? rust flakes in fuel filter? It is a good and simple machine.



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sibby(Aus)

07-12-2004 21:05:16




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 Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Chris, 07-12-2004 17:41:41  
Chris, did you check or replace your condensor in your distributor? It can give exactly the same problem you are stating. cheers.



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Norm in Ont.

07-12-2004 18:58:52




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 Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Chris, 07-12-2004 17:41:41  
Hi Chris, I also have '58 T0 35 and love it.
First off these may be just stabs at problems but nevertheless crucial for a good operation of your engine. Fuel: Before you install carb kit check you have a good fuel flow to the carb by unplugging hose close to carb and see if it flows freely. If it's the case then you can proceed to carb kit and use Big Dean's following instructions to adjust it.

"Marvel-Schebler Carburetor adjustment This is the way I always adjusted them in the field. A lot of people do not agree with me on how to do this but it always worked for me. I stared with both screws about a round & a half out. At about half throttle screw the power jet screw out till you start to get black smoke out the exhaust. Then turn it in slowly till the smoke stops. Adjust the small idling screw either in or out as needed to make the engine idle smooth. If I was at the shop I always put them on the Dyno to make these adjustment under a load." Remember you might want to keep main float needle as the one that comes with the new kit don't quite fit properly and have to end up closing fuel tank valve if engine stopped for overnight other wise fuel will spill in your carb and flood engine.
Adjust your carb float so that when bowl is full of gaz, it is parallel to the top of carb body.

Also use a strong carb cleaner overnight before a thorough sweep with air .

This should take care of the fuel side of things.

Do yourself a big favor and get Big Dean's CD for the T035 and it will save you loads of time and money for the mere price he's asking for. Say Hi to him for me.

Ask again if you need more info.

Good Luck

Norm in Ont.

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Norm in Ont.

07-13-2004 17:03:36




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 Re: Re: Grandpa Died, Left T0-35 Need Help in reply to Norm in Ont., 07-12-2004 18:58:52  
Oh I forgot to include Big Dean's web url.
Here it is:
Link

Again good Luck

Norm in Ont.



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