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ben uk

09-23-2004 12:52:26




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Hi guys, you may remember me posting a week or so ag about water in my transmission oil.

Im going to do something about it this weekend. I just thought if i let the tractor sit for a while (it hasnt moved this week) then undo each of the drain plugs, will the water flow out, then when il starts coming out i can put them back in again?

Would this work, or am i being stupid?!

Just reluctant to spend £70 on oil for the second time this year if there is another way around it. If not then i will have to.

Thanks

Ben

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smokey

09-24-2004 17:02:17




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
Sort of reminds me of the old hardware store that used to import used Cream separators from India and sold them to truckies who used to centrifuge their brake fluid to remove the water and reuse.



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Jeff-oh

09-24-2004 12:54:24




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 oil cleaning procedure in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
Procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid.

If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days.

You should be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right side inspection plate. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers.

I would also recommend the you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut your self if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "washing/Flushing" out the inside. Particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed it down. I put the nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do this with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes. To let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

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William Bos

09-25-2004 10:26:34




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 Re: oil cleaning procedure in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-24-2004 12:54:24  
Hi,

We rebuilt the rear of our MF35 ( crown and pinion....) and we washed everything out with diesel. What an amazing job!! The oil is oil coloured!! Not milky!! When yopu do this, as said above replace the seale, and for an extra $20 ( CDN ) get new shifter booties!!! They will help bigtime!!

I would not recommend using kerosene, just diesel, as from what i read kerosene is used as a cutting agent. Even though you wont be running this when you clean it, be safe and stick to diesel!!

Good luck and take care

Will

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ben uk

09-24-2004 11:15:30




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
If i drain all the oil, will this remove all the water, or should i let it dry out somehow?

Thankls

Ben



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Gregg

09-24-2004 02:45:43




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
If the tractor is stored outside,the cycling of the sun heating the frame and cooling at night will produce condensation.Repeat every day and you get water.I made that mistake a few years ago, and it took 2 fluid changes to remedy.



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TomTX

09-23-2004 20:22:11




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
Ben, the oil is ruined. It has been contaminated with the water. Must drain all of it, refill with quality product. Cheap compared to potential for damage. The secret is to find your leak.



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tg in VA

09-23-2004 20:07:22




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
Are the rubber boots on your gear shift and hi-lo shift in good shape? If they are hard and cracked, that could be the source of your contamination. 70 pounds sounds a little steep for transmission oil. 5 gallons is $30 or less in the US which is considerably less than 70 pounds.



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txblu

09-24-2004 09:42:42




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to tg in VA, 09-23-2004 20:07:22  
$1.80 per GBP today. I pay $21 (did) so that's 11.7 GBP's. Don't know what the tax is on oil there. For a tractor that's not very expensive for what water can (could)do.

Mark



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ben uk

09-24-2004 11:13:40




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to txblu, 09-24-2004 09:42:42  
Guys, may i ask which brands you are using?

This is transmission/hydraulic oil.

I have been using higard from John Deere, i thought it was expensive, but just assumed it was all that sort of price.

it was £70 and i got 40 litres/

Cheers

Ben



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txblu

09-26-2004 08:32:23




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-24-2004 11:13:40  
Ben,

I buy after market. The specs it is supposted to meet are on the container rear. Since the improvement of hydraulic fluid to include additives to use as gear fluid also (tranny-diff) including a slight viscosity increase, mfgr's seem to have found that one oil can function in most of those specs.

Now there are those on this board that disagree, but I have 5 tractors and have been farmin for 25 years and never lost a piece of machinery because of lubrication problems....little stupidy or carelessness in operation, maybe, but not oil.

Ours comes in 5 gallon pail. Recalling a quart is about 1 liter, that would equate to a 20 liter pail.

I think OEM fluids are more expensive as are most OEM parts. I know that refineries produce fluids to specifications for customers. If Ford or JD or whomever writes a spec, and that spec is on the rear of the container, and I purchase it from a reputable supply source, I trust it will function as is intended. Haven't lost yet.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

09-23-2004 16:16:20




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 Re: another transmission oil question! in reply to ben uk, 09-23-2004 12:52:26  
If you've found water in oil, my guess is that it's already comtaminated, and has begun breakdown. Let me ask you a question. Would it be better to go out a few pounds for new fluids, or risk going out lots of pounds repairing serious damage?

Not a stupid question Ben, but don't be kicking yourself in the tailend later saying, "Stupid, stupid, stupid...".

Second time this year? Was the last time water as well? If so, find that leak. Good luck.

Mark - IN.

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