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bob s

10-05-2004 18:30:03




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how do i tell if my''new 1965'' 135 has power steering? had it running and it is very armstrong type right now,but looks to have a power steering box on it? three point hitch works as well as a bucket loader thats on it.




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mowr

10-05-2004 19:06:33




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to bob s, 10-05-2004 18:30:03  
With 4 cyl. engine there would be a p. s. pump at the left front of the engine. With 3 cyl. engine there would be a p. s. pump at the right front of the engine. From there, lines go to a p. s. cylinder under the battery box on all the 135's I've seen.



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bob s

10-06-2004 05:22:42




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to mowr, 10-05-2004 19:06:33  
could there be a power steering box that has never been connected? there is no pump anywhere,only other thing could someone have ''stole'' hydralic power from some place on the tractor, then discontiued when loader was installed,just an idea? maybe had pump but threw away,there is no mounting brackets left.



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Gerald J.

10-06-2004 08:19:18




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to bob s, 10-06-2004 05:22:42  
There are three parts to the MF-135 power steering system.

The pump is gear driven by the camshaft gear chain. There are NO brackets. It has the reservoir built onto the pump. Its not so small to be hard to find.

The steering cylinder is in front of the steering gear box directly under the battery. Its about 4" inside diameter and about 4 or 5" stroke. Its not there on a tractor without power steering. It runs a rack against the top cross shaft gear. If worked hard the rack pushes up on the top of the steering gear box and can split it. Mine broke the piston rod and then beat up the piston cocking it in the cylinder bore. The local (when there was a local) MF dealer wanted $472 for the cylinder assembly. A nearby machine shop removed the piston saving enough for accurate measurements, carved a new piston and piston rod, and fixed a broken seal seat in the control valve for $125. A previous owner had welded braces to the top of the steering gear box cover to hold the rack down. The new parts have been running for years now.

The third piece is the steering control valve on the steering wheel shaft. It has the hoses going to it from the pump. The shaft is allowed some end play and its that end play that operates the valve.

I have seen MF-35 with a power steering tag on the steering wheel but without most of the parts.

if you really want to know the options and what you have, you should own the owner's manual that covers the serial number range you have (the manual is a great deal different for those vintages with the Continental gas engine compared to those with the 3 cylinder Perkins gas engine), a copy of the MF 135 parts book, and a copy of the I&T shop manual. The I&T manual isn't complete but its better than nothing and far less expensive than the factory service manual. The last CD service manual I bought on epay, covers mostly MF-148 and doesn't resemble my 135.

Gerald J.

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txblu

10-06-2004 06:46:27




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to bob s, 10-06-2004 05:22:42  
FYI. Bought a MF 35 (predecessor to yours) and on the right steering arm was mounted a humongous shock absorber. I guess it was to smooth out steering on freshly plowed (moldboard) soil.

My steering was a bear too. Took the cylinder off and it steers much easier.

Mark



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txblu...pump for sale

10-06-2004 10:22:00




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to txblu, 10-06-2004 06:46:27  
Noticed on page 2 of this site a pump for sale for a MF 65. Might fit yours.

Mark



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bob s

10-06-2004 08:33:14




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to txblu, 10-06-2004 06:46:27  
aha found problem!!!! some body has pulled off the pump and put a very factory looking metal plate over the hole where the pump mounts.so problem solved thanks to everybody



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txblu

10-06-2004 10:15:49




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 Re: 135 steering question in reply to bob s, 10-06-2004 08:33:14  
So, you going to buy a new pump? If so, get a tractor pump. I tried to use a pump off a Ford Pinto Auto and the gpm's were about half what I needed to steer my tractor.

Mark



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