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Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel

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Bill/TN

11-04-2004 19:26:57




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I am restoring my FE35. My tractor will not start without a shot of starting fluid. Do you think my problem is in the injection pump? Tractor was setting up for a long time before restoration. Do you think I need to get the pump rebuilt? Do you have any suggestions.




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Arthur from Tassy

11-08-2004 02:21:43




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 Re: Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel in reply to Bill/TN, 11-04-2004 19:26:57  
Hi there Bill
I watched carefully as a old mechanic put one of those engines back together, the engine prior to pulling down was bad to start, and after the rebuild started with only a little heating, mind you our winters here in Tasmania don"t get as cold as some of the USA states. the main improvement in starting was that he paid particular attention to the valve timing settings after changing the timing chain and idler
he carefully adjusted the driven timing chain cog by turning the cog 180 degree"s and/or back to front, four positions are available at about quarter of a link of the chain at a time, I sorry but thats all the clues that I can give.
cheers Arthur from Tassy.

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Chris in Tas

12-17-2004 07:38:13




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 Re: Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel in reply to Arthur from Tassy, 11-08-2004 02:21:43  
Arthur
Have just purchased a 35 here in Tas, you don"t have the name and number of that clever fellow?
Cheers
Chris



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Jack in NB

11-06-2004 04:54:45




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 Re: Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel in reply to Bill/TN, 11-04-2004 19:26:57  
Hello Bill -

The Standard engine had a starting problem from day one. Once you get it going, it smokes until it warms up, but runs almost forever. Smooth, lots of power, reasonably fuel efficient. Ours had probably 5000 hours on it and the crank was still standard size when I overhauled it. But the overhaul didn't help the starting!

Massey tried different things - kigas, thermostart, glow plugs, modified head, finally licked it by changing to Perkins.

The most effective solution we found was an electric heater - easiest to install in the lower rad hose. 200 watts or so. Probably a 600 watt one installed in the block would be more efficient, but the other works.

15 minutes on the hottest summer day, an hour in fall. You still need the thermostart or glow plugs, though.

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Thomas

11-05-2004 14:09:52




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 Re: Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel in reply to Bill/TN, 11-04-2004 19:26:57  
The 23C had a starting problem from day 1. My theory is that it is to do with the cylinder liners. These are very thin walled dry liners, but are not pressed into the bores, merely a location fit. I always feel that these thin liners can gain ovality as they cool and contract, due to the excess clearances. Thus when the engine is cold compression is poor due to leakage. As it warms up the liners expand to take up the shape of the outer bores and it runs fine.

Mine has been much better since I started using a thick engine oil. I usually run on 15W40 APICF4, but have found that on HD30 APICC it runs much better.

Is your thermostart working properly? I always need 10-20 seconds of heat to get mine going. Without this you will need easy start.

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txblu

11-05-2004 06:45:58




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 Re: Massey FE35, C23 Standard Diesel in reply to Bill/TN, 11-04-2004 19:26:57  
If you can do a compression check, might try that. Rings could be stuck from sitting, or cylinder walls rusted (pitted).

Diesel has to have that squirt of fuel, allright, but without proper compression to develop the air hot enough to explode the fuel, it's hopeless.

I would think if your pump were the problem, it wouldn't wait till the engine is kicking over to join the party. It would be there during cranking.

Solution: Crack the fuel line at the injector. Crank the engine. If you see fuel pfft pffting from under the nut, the pump is a pumpin. Don't forget to lock the nut back down. (Sometimes we forget the simple things.)

I'd add some MMO to the fuel or some kind of solvent to loosen the stuck rings if that's the problem. Cylinder walls will (should) fix themselves with a little wear.

Run it for a half hour or so (after installing MMO in the fuel tank...I'd put in like 2 oz per gallon of fuel this time) then put a load on it (plow) for a couple of hours and get the temp up.

Might be surprised at the difference in performance when finished. Of course you need to watch your engine temp. Doubt you'd overheat it but one never knows.
Mark

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