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ben uk

11-15-2004 11:15:59




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hi

right, i have a 135, its my only tractor. Have various 3 point items, a tipper trailer.

im going to look at a loader tomorrow.

If i get a loader for it that uses the linkage pump, can i have the loader up in the air (not necessarily going up and down, just not on the ground, and still use the trailer tipping pipe and 3 point?

it has a valve that goes on top of the bit where the trailer tipping pipe comes out of the transmission case. I was wondering if i stick her up in the air then flick the valve onto the other setting (to use the trailer tipping pipe, or the 3 point) if the valve will hold the pressure and keep the loader up, so i can actually go forwards!

I suppose if not i might be able to make some sort of mechanical lock to hold it up.

Also, do you guys think she will lift swmall 4*4 hay round bales?

i think she will, they cant be more then 250kg. it has the swept back axle. It also has water in the rear tires.

Thanks guys

Ben

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GaryF

11-16-2004 05:27:36




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-15-2004 11:15:59  
Ben do you have the early curved front axle UK machine or the later straight axle model. Both were available with power steering with the late model being stronger for loader work. Loaded tires are necessary. Some type of a weight box and/or tire chains will also be an asset. Like all the other posters say it is quite possible to run the loader from the internal hydraulic system, however it is a compromise. Best to have a front pump setup and a detachable loader like the 236.
Not having power steering will make your tractor a bear to steer even with no load in the bucket. You no doubt realise the loader will stick out from the front of your tractor a fair bit and that creates a few navigation issues particularily around buildings and people. This will require your complete attention at all times! I am not trying to put you off your loader idea, just trying to make you aware that there some tradeoffs.
Gary

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ben uk

11-16-2004 10:07:10




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to GaryF, 11-16-2004 05:27:36  
cheers mates

It has the curved axle so ill take it steady, and no power steering, which i suppose will put me off getting carried away with something too heavy!

I bought the loader this morning, dont know which model it is but it is a trip loader and looks very easy to detach. simply put the stands under it, then pull out 2 pins on each side, undo the hydraulic pipe and back out. I also bought a weight block and it has water in the tires. The block ways a hell of a lot, I never thought that the van was going to stop going down! So, hopefully the steering shouldnt be too bad with that weight on the back, and the water filled rear tires.

Thanks again

Ben

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Gary F

11-16-2004 15:27:36




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-16-2004 10:07:10  
Ben the weight on the back will help with the steering but what its helps more with is traction particularily when you have 300-500 lbs of weight in the bucket. You should find the loader quite usefull.
Gary



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lonestarjeff

11-16-2004 00:01:46




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-15-2004 11:15:59  
I had the 165 set-up for about a year using the internal yoke pump to run the loader(took me that long to afford the front pump & drive parts!)before I switched it over to externals.

I had the loader hoses plumbed straight out of the lift cover side ports. Each side had a ball valve so I could lock them off with the loader up & use the 3-pt. It's kinda tricky though when you need to use both @ the same time.

Jeff

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-15-2004 18:35:12




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-15-2004 11:15:59  
I put the loader on my dad's old Ferguson last week and all of the sudden the steering became very heavy. If you don't have power steering and you have to make short turns, get ready for some real cranking on the wheel.

For handling bales a 3 pt hitch bale spike might be handier.



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Gerald J.

11-15-2004 16:47:23




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-15-2004 11:15:59  
I used to have a MF-236 loader on my MF-135. It used a separate hydraulic system. When I bought it, the pump was on the PTO. That pump had too large a displacement and made controlling the loader difficult. The loader fixed frame was used for oil reservoir. That pump was stolen, so I went to a 5 gpm front mounted pump driven by the engine crankshaft through the hollow front axle pivot pin.

The internal hydraulics are hard put to do 4 gpm., but the pressure is high. Loader cylinders made for 2200 psi will move slowly and have a good chance of breaking.

My MF-135 has a three valve adapter under the seat. The left valve selects up, down, or lock for the three point, the middle and right valves go to ports on the rear of the tractor that I used to run cylinders on trailing implements. Its necessary to move the two three point levers on the right to the top positions to keep the pump pumping when using the external ports.

I suppose that valve could run the loader, but would then prevent using trailed implements needing hydraulics without removing the loader. And the PTO driven loader pump required removing the loader for running PTO driven equipment.

I think it is also possible to acquire a plate for under the seat that has a valve to switch the hydraulics between loader and the three point.

Three point locking success will depend on the quality of the lift cylinder. If it leaks, the raised three point will leak down under load.

Gerald J.

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Ali, fae Crieff

11-15-2004 12:13:28




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to ben uk, 11-15-2004 11:15:59  
Ben, you can indeed use your loader as you suggest as long as you have a valve in the loader supply that can be closed such that the oil from the loader rams can be prevented from returning to the gearbox thus keeping your loader up.You can then use your 3-point linkage as normal. I presume your tractor is of such vintage that you are using the automatic trailer hitch with T-bar and stays so that you can also carry a concrete balance weight? Hope this helps, Cheers, Ali.

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DavidP,South Wales

11-15-2004 13:47:26




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 Re: 135 loader questions in reply to Ali, fae Crieff, 11-15-2004 12:13:28  
Hi Ben,
To do what you want will require a multi-port isolating valve to fit in place of the cap on the front of the hydraulic cover. This valve normally has a "pull out" centre spool to "lock" the 3 point linkage and a rotary
selector with two ports, one for the tipping pipe and one for the loader. The term "lock" is relative as the efficiency will depend on the condition of the control valve in the pump and the main lift piston rings.
Regards David P

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