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massey model 102 just bought this old dude.

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chiefhowie

05-17-2005 12:50:43




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Any one help me with this old dude. We bought the trackter to landscape our new house it runs worse by the day. It had new plugs,wires,dist cap. now it lacks power miss fires and over heats. Hdy oil is cream coloured now. I wondered if i bought a manual if i can find one would it help me tune up.




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Texas Denny

05-18-2005 08:20:48




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 Re: massey model 102 just bought this old dude. in reply to chiefhowie, 05-17-2005 12:50:43  
Chiefhowie, I can't find any evidence of a Massey tractor with the model number of 102. They did make a 101 Sr. and a 101 Jr. I also don't know what "Hdy oil" is. If it is crankcase oil, I can offer some suggestions for troubleshooting. If there is cream colored oil in the crankcase, water or an anti-freeze solution has been introduced into the crankcase. If this happens, the radiator level will go down and the engine will over heat. If it is ran in this state for any amount of time, the creamy oil, which is abrasive, will damage the bearings and the cylinder walls. The lack of water in the radiator will cause over heating and could cause total meltdown.

If this is the situation, you have to find out the sorce of the water. Sources are: 1) Freeze plugs - some tractors have these in the head under the valve cover. If they rust out, water comes out of the cooling circuit and goes to the oil pan.
2) Blown head gasket - occasionally a head gasket could fail causing this situation but it is rare.
3) Cracked head - can only be determined by disassembly and testing called pressure testing.
4) Cracked block - requires disassembly and testing called magniflux.
5) If the engine has wet sleeves, o-rings at the bottom of the sleeves can fail and allow leakage from the cooling circuit into the pan.

The problem you have is not going to be fixed by a tune up. I consider a tune-up a minor repair. You are facing a major repair.

The one strong possibility based on your short note is that the you mention "miss fires". Of the five items that I've listed, the only ones that would cause miss firing is the cracked head or the blown head gasket. These are still significant repairs but they do not require removing the engine and the expense is smaller.

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cheifhowie

05-18-2005 11:36:01




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 massey model 204 just bought this old dude. in reply to Texas Denny, 05-18-2005 08:20:48  
"Sorry" the 102 and serial was on the frame easy to see. there is another very small lable model 204 serial JGA 342335. changed oil, runs a lot better, probably has hydraulic lifters, so my guess valves weren"t opening.



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Texas Denny

05-18-2005 11:54:45




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 Re: massey model 204 just bought this old dude. in reply to cheifhowie, 05-18-2005 11:36:01  
I was wrong. Massey did make a 102 Jr and a 102 Sr. Your numers don't fit in either sequence. Massey Fergusen did make a 204 and your serial number would indicate a 1961 model. I don't think that they had hydraulic lifters. I'd watch your fluids very closely. There may still be something wrong.



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cheifhowie

05-19-2005 09:07:26




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  massey model 204 what fluid do i use in reply to Texas Denny, 05-18-2005 11:54:45  
for the front bucket and back hoe. I couldn't find any port to put fluids except on the support post for front bucket. I put in 2 quarts and check the dip stick under the seat and it rose some. The front seals on the bucket is also leaking a white coloured fluid. I also took a sample of new hydraulic oil and added water, shook oil mixed,after 10 minutes it became paste and rose to the top of the zip lock bay..

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Texas Denny

05-20-2005 14:49:14




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 Re: massey model 204 what fluid do i use in reply to cheifhowie, 05-19-2005 09:07:26  
There apparently is water in your hydraulic fluid. I can't offer how this could happen. I don't know what loader you have. Some loaders use the frame to store hydraulic fluid - use a tubular frame as a reservoir for the hydraulic oil. This is not a good mixture for your system. I'd recommend changing it. I'm not sure of the Massey Fergusen recommended fluid. If the tractor is a Massey Harris, non detergent 30 weight works fine.

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