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Brad-inTN

11-16-2005 22:35:31




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Hi MF experts,

I recently brought home a '72 MF 165. It seems to be a pretty well cared for unit. Appears to have mostly original paint(needs a paint job someday).

I've run a new exhaust system in stainless steel down and out the back instead of up. I'm freshening the alternator up now.

I want to get an owners manual for it but have not done it yet. So I have some Questions- What lube should I use to change out the tranny and rear end and how much will I need ? Anyone ever flush the PS system ,and if so, how did you do it ? Any other maintenance / adjustment basics you would suggest for a tractor where you don't know the maintenance history ? Thanks in advance.

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Don-Wi

11-18-2005 19:51:48




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 Re: My new 165... in reply to Brad-inTN, 11-16-2005 22:35:31  
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Why do you want it down and under, instead of up?? Our 165 (earlier model w/ continental gasser) had downward exhaust when we first bought it only because of the loader that wasd mounted. Once the frame broke and we took the loader off, I turned it upright, which only consisted of loosening the 3 bolts that hold the exhaust pipe to the manifold and turning it 60 deg. so it was upright. I would never go back, once I almost started a fire raking hay. I was doubling it up, going over a windrow already raked and that got bunched up on the draw bar. I dragged it along for about 20-30 ft before I saw what was going on, and by this time the hay started to smoke and smolder. Also, if a spark would have come out the muffler, it could have caused a he!! of a blaze, consuming a tractor that is one of my favorites now.

What engine is on yours? I don't know when they switched to perkins gas engines, but I think it was early in the 70's. For the rear end, it uses a hydraulic/transmission oil. Perma Tran III is what is recommended (made by) MF. You also use this same oil in the power steering.(originally came w/ ATF fluid, but I beleive there were troubles with the o-rings so a service bulletin was put out about it.

Best thing to do is get the REAL MF manuals, atleast the operators manual, and if you do your own work buy the service and maybe the parts one as well. I&T are all right, but they leave a bunch of stuff out and generalize for a certain series or bunch of models. For the 165, it also covers the 135 and 150 so it covers 6 or more different engines, 2-3 different PS units, etc. etc....,

First thing I'd do, which it sounds like you are doing, is change all the fluids out and grease it. Make sure to look for zerks underneath, both on the front axel and for the brake pedals. If those are ignored, you'll be replacing bushings in short order.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Brad-inTN

11-19-2005 23:02:16




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 Re: My new 165... in reply to Don-Wi, 11-18-2005 19:51:48  
Hi Don,

Thanks for the input. The cast iron exhaust was broken on my tractor when I got it so I welded up a 2" stainless header to a 3" stainless pipe out the back and no muffler ! If it's too loud I will add in a muffler. I got the tubing at a scrap/recycling yard. I don't think I will ever be raking any hay...mostly be used for bush hogging and boxblade work so I probably won't have any more fire risk than my other tractor (8N). I'm also concerned that a treelimb could hit a new vertical exhaust and damage it. I bushhog around alot of trees. Plus I don't want to breath the exhaust fumes.

I think I have the AD4.203 Perkins diesel engine. 1972 model I think. Seems like good advice you give on the manuals...I noticed the IT manual is very thin but with a "thick" price.

I will see if I can find Perma-tran 3...I wonder if there is a generic equivalent ? Later, Brad.

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ben uk

11-21-2005 13:49:18




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 Re: My new 165... in reply to Brad-inTN, 11-19-2005 23:02:16  
put a trailer with a high front or a PTO trnasport box or something on the back and that exhaust will some straight back in with you and smoke you out, isnt nice!

but now its like that you may as well see how you get on with it!

Ben



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Brad-inTN

11-24-2005 12:48:49




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 Re: My new 165... in reply to ben uk, 11-21-2005 13:49:18  
I have several tractors (8) , some vertical exhaust and some down and back...the exhaust style should match the use of the unit. Down and back works good for me when bushhogging. The set-up I now have should also increase horsepower a little...the factory type vertical system is quite restrictive looking to me. It should have maximum "snort" now !



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Don-WI

11-20-2005 15:21:55




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 Re: My new 165... in reply to Brad-inTN, 11-19-2005 23:02:16  
for the oil, any kind of transmission/hydraulic oil should work, like IH Hy-tran, and I think that JD has an oil too. You can find generics at stores like TSC, Fleet Farm, Farm & Fleet, etc etc... They should have a list on the back as to what they equate to. One word of caution, although I've never had this, is that some oils will foam when mixed with other brands/types.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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