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Bill

05-30-2000 18:23:28




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Forgive my stupid questions, but I'd just like to know a few things about MF tractors!

Draft. What is it and what does it do?

Other than draft, what advantage did the Fergusen system give (with respect to 3-point set-ups)?

When Ford II sent Ferguson packing, and Ferguson sued, did Ford have to stop using draft on their tractors and when did patents expire so others could copy and use MF's system?

A friend of mine has a Canadian MF-35 diesel. I just looked at a Canadian MF-135 diesel. What are the differences between Canadian, American and English versions of these tractors? The Canadian MF-135 seemed more heavy duty to me, am I wrong.

I grew-up using a Ford 3000 diesel, about a '66 model. What did MF offer at that time that compared? Was it the MF-135? How do these two tractors compare? If someone had one of each, brand new, stored somewhere and you could buy one or the other, which would it be and why.

This tractor stuff is very interesting! Though I like the old Ford 3000, my friend's MF-35 and the MF-135 really impressed me. I really appreciate your response!

Thanks,
Bill

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B.C

05-31-2000 05:58:38




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 Re: Stupid MF questions in reply to Bill, 05-30-2000 18:23:28  
The Ferguson draft system sensed the top link compression load and would raise or lower the implement (plow, cultivator etc)enough to keep the load (draft force) on the tractor uniform.

Others, like Allis, had a somewhat similar system, only theirs was upside down and worked off the main load, and not the top link (or in their case,links) reaction force.

Just when the patents expired, or who paid who what, I don't know. The equivalent to the Ferguson 3 point hitch and draft arrangement got to be widespread by 1960 or so. Maybe somebody at the ASAE may have the detailed scoop.

Others might know the subtleties of the American, Canadian, and English MF's. My understanding is that the English tractors had different diesel engines, at least at first.

The MF 135 probably was the Ford 3000 equivalent, the Massey had some 32 to 34 hp and I doubt the Ford had any more than that.

Back in the mid 60's the Ford and Massey dealers would eye each other at the county fair up home. The Ford people would sneer that the smaller Masseys were just Fords geared down. Life wasn't quite that simple but it probably made them feel better to say it.

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Richard Porche

06-01-2000 09:18:10




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 Re: Re: Stupid MF questions in reply to B.C, 05-31-2000 05:58:38  
I have located a MF 135. It's some distance away and I haven't gone to look at it yet.

I know to get the SN from steering column and engine manifold. My question: Are there different chassie versions, HP etc. of the 135. And does a 135 have a hydrolic spool valve or a way to tap a source to add one? Thanks for any assistance...Rich



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Bob

05-31-2000 16:52:47




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 Re: Re: Stupid MF questions in reply to B.C, 05-31-2000 05:58:38  
The Canadian MF-135 (assuming it is a UK made tractor) had a heavier fron axle and power steering system. This is distinguishable by having two PS cylinders; one at each steering knuckle. May also have a different shift patterns on the later 8 speed units. The Perkins diesels are all the same.



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