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Repainting an MF 135

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Christos

03-01-2006 09:25:30




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This is probably a question for the paint and restoration board, but I want to give my MF 135 a new paint job this year to complete its restoration - I was wondering if anybody had any hints, advice, etc.

I was going to use either the AGCO/Massey-Ferguson Paint or the PPG Economy Acrylic Enamel Based paints so I could get away from hardner (I don't have the dough for the air purifing equipment)

I know I have to get all the grease off, but I was wondering how much of the tractor would I have to disassemble to get the belly repainted with Metallic Flint Grey? I know the sheet is the obvious part but I am at a loss as what to take off, disassemble and for example the dash which needs a paint job, etc.

I've never painted a tractor before so if any of you have any advice I'd appreciate it.

Christos

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Bill Darte

03-03-2006 10:46:27




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Christos, 03-01-2006 09:25:30  
Finished painting mine in the Fall.
Everything that could come off the frame came off...great way to get to know your tractor. Also was convenient to work a part at a time.

Basically to everything to bare metal, primed...spray bomb...and painted with Flint Grey, Silver Mist and Massey Red....these were spray bombs too.

I had most of the sheet metal professionally done after providing the red spray bomb that I planned to use on the wheels to them....

I did it this way for convenience, but also, I wanted them to match the spray bomb paint so that I could over time touch up with a very close match paint....PERFECT match of color was what I got.

In fact, my daughter scratch one of my professional pieces and I repainted part with the spray can.... again perfect match of color, but also...the paint went on this and smoothed to a similarly perfect match with the professional job...no kidding..couldn't tell the diff.

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MF Poor

03-01-2006 11:19:39




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Christos, 03-01-2006 09:25:30  
I just finished painting a 150 Massey. About all I can say is, the sky's the limit. You can get away with just sheet metal and wheels, or you can dismantle it to nothing. The more involved you get, the more complete of a paint job you'll get.

I removed all sheet metal, all four tires and wheels (tires OFF wheels), removed all gauges from dash, removed fuel tank, seat assembly, battery, some wiring, and any "loose parts" that allowed easy removal (top link, drawbar, ect)

And I've seen paint jobs where someone didn't even bother to wash off before pointing the spray bomb at it.

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Aaron Ford

03-01-2006 09:47:04




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Christos, 03-01-2006 09:25:30  
I think the stock chassis color for the 135 was cloud mist silver. The metallic flint gray was for us 35,50 and 65 folks. I am sure someone around has the answer. As far as the painting, I pulled the body, radiator, and wheels. I plan on replacing the plugs, wires, dizzy cap, hoses, belts, and shift boots. I also have some massive repair work to do prior to painting. I farmed out the body and wheels to a professional. Figure the pretty parts ought to be right. That part is gonna cost me ~$250. New tires, seat cushions, gauges, and a steering wheel ought to make it look right

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Bill Brox

03-01-2006 11:02:40




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Aaron Ford, 03-01-2006 09:47:04  
Didn't you ever get the Stoneleigh grey over in the US ? That came in UK in mid-1960 about the change from MF 65 MK I to MF 65 MK II

Bill



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DavidP, South Wales

03-01-2006 11:48:15




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Bill Brox, 03-01-2006 11:02:40  
Hi,
It's unheard to the Brits for a 100 series tractor to be anything other than Stonleigh Gray!!!!! !!
Wonder why they changed it for the US and elsewhere. As far as stripping of parts goes it's down to the owner. It's easy to wash it off and blow it over. A few months down the road you will see that it was not such a good idea. It's not practical to remove everything but a good starting point is to remove the wheels, bonnet, fenders, seat, instrument panel, fuel tank and wiring harness. That will get you down to the chassis where most parts are accessible. Pay particular attention to the engine block. Remove all of the paint from the sides if you can. Rubbing down is not enough to get rid of the diesel that is in the paint. It will not be long before it comes through the new. It's worth stripping the bonnet so that pieces can be straightened and painted individually.
To do a proper job is a hell of a lot of work and expense and if done well, the appreciative comments from 'people in the know' will make it all worthwhile.
DavidP

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Bill in TN

03-02-2006 08:47:42




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 03-01-2006 11:48:15  
People have had different opinions about what the original color gray was for some time now. I really think that Massey bought left over paint from the navy and used several different shades of grey. (that's ment to be funny so laugh) Most likely we are all right, and all wrong! The color probably varied from place to place and time to time.

I went to the dealer parts counter and asked for the original color and they gave me silver mist gray. The gal that works there has been there 25 years and assured me this was the correct color. Heck, I don't know what color is correct, but it looks good.

I repainted my 135 4 or five years ago and bought the paint at the dealer. I did add some hardener. My tractor is kept in the barn and still looks great.

I removed all the sheet metal and fuel tank and cleaned and degreased for what seemed like days using a pressure washer, gunk, easy off, a 4 inch grinder with wire brush and a small hand held wire brush to get in the tight spots. I removed the alternater, starter and radiator. I removed all the rubber hoses and replaced them with new hose after the paint job was completed. I replaced any leaking gaskets at the same time. I taped off any thing that I didn't want to paint, removed the gauges and as much wiring as I could comfortably remove and shot a couple of coats of primer. I didn't tape much. I let that set for the week and the next weekend I washed the tractor and blew it dry with a leaf blower....then sprayed the grey. I sprayed about 3 thin coats to get good coverage and used about a gallon of grey. The dealer also has the paint in quarts and if I remember I went back a week or so later and got a quart to touch up a few places. The body of the tractor is cast and seems to need a fair amount of paint to cover good. I used rusty brown primer and could see every place I missed. This may have been a good thing in the end as I got good coverage but having the primer tinted gray might have saved some paint.

The sheet metal was stripped of old paint with a wire wheel, washed with soap and water and wiped down with thinner before spraying the primer. I used several coats of primer to build a little. Then wiped with thinner and sprayed the paint.

The painting it's self was the easy part. The more effort you put into the prep work the better the job will turn out. I spent about 3 weekends repairing gaskets, cleaning, inspecting and cleaning again before I was ready to spray the paint. The painting it's self only took a couple of hours.

If your like me, and painting outside I also recommend that you wait for a day with highs in the 70's and the lower the humidity the better. Spring is a tough time to paint outside around here as the pollen is thick. After the paint has dried for 6 to 8 weeks, you can buff with a light polishing compound and this really made the paint look nice.

I wish I would have replaced the water pump when I had the tractor apart as it failed a few months later and I had to disassemble a lot of the tractor to replace it.

I could have spent a lot more on paint but figured the dealer paint lasted over 25 years so what the hay right? I could have also spent a little less on paint but there has to be a happy median there somewhere.....

Anyway, the neighbor came home with a brand new New Holland....about a $24,000 tractor..... and the wife told me she would buy me as much paint as I wanted!

I'm not a farmer, and really could have done without a tractor, but would have had to hire some things done and with a small place it's hard to find someone that wants to fool with it. I run my tractor between 100 and 120 hours a year..... .after putting up a new fence, the wife told me she thought that tractor was the best money I ever spent..... but you should have seen the look in her eye when I brought the old rust thing home..... .

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DavidP, South Wales

03-02-2006 11:16:56




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to Bill in TN, 03-02-2006 08:47:42  
Hi,
In the UK, Silver mist was used on the wheels and grills on the 100 series and wheels and bonnet nose on the 500 series.
DavidP



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JJ. in B.C.

03-02-2006 12:14:30




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 03-02-2006 11:16:56  
Hi David,

Forgot to wish you happy St. Davids day . Hope you had a good one. Sorry dont have a picture of any Leeks or Dafodils !!!

Regards, JJ.



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DavidP, South Wales

03-04-2006 09:48:55




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 Re: Repainting an MF 135 in reply to JJ. in B.C., 03-02-2006 12:14:30  
Hi JJ in BC,
Thanks for message. Working day as normal.

18 year old son in kitchen; DAD! DAD! come quick there's a leak in the washing machine. Ran into the kitchen, opened the door. Yes there was a leek there, I took it out and could have hit him over the head with it!!!! DONKEY!!!!!
Probs with Internet connection at moment. Be in touch soon.
DavidP



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