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Weak brakes on MF-135

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Burt-CA

05-27-2006 06:40:06




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Hi

I have a MF-50 and MF135 On the MF-50 there are
good brakes I can stop on a dime. On the 135 I have
to stand on the pedals (200 lbs) to have very little
brake effect. The drums are dry no oil and pads are near new no wear. I read in some posts for TE-20 that if the springs are installed wrong place the brakes will not operate properly. Is it same for the 135 ?.

Thanks in advance

Burt-CA

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DavidP, South Wales

05-28-2006 09:34:50




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 Re: Weak brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:40:06  
Hello,
No-one has come up with the answer to what I feel confident is the answer to your problem. This is based on 31 years of MF experience.
If you look along the line of the brake shaft at the axle Ithink you will find that the arms connected to the rods is well towards the 7 o'clock position. If this is correct then you are loosing leverage on the shoes.
Remove the wheels and drums and inspect the area where the shoes sit on the cam. You should see wear on the top and bottom. This can be cleaned up with a grinder, built up with weld and then ground back. You can leave them slightly proud.
Check that there is no excessive wear on the cam point of the shoes. Disconnect both brake rods.
Refit and adjust until the drum just goes tight.
Tie or support the brake pedals in the 'up' position. Adjust the rods until you can just get the pins in. Slacken each drum by about 5 or 6 clicks and then balance adjust on concrete or tarmac. When the brakes are applied, the arms should now be coming towards the 6 o'clock position.
This repair has been carried out to nomerous 35 and 135's over the years with total success and all then stop on a sixpence as we say on this side of the pond.
DavidP, South Wales

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supergrumpy

05-27-2006 17:04:54




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 Re: Weak brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:40:06  
might be a dumb question on my part but have you adjusted the brakes??, my 135 didn"t brake well until I got the adjustment right, stops great now



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Dean

05-27-2006 14:24:48




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 Re: Weak brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:40:06  
Burt:

I have had this problem on some of my Ford tractors with drum brakes. As Chuck said, sometimes this can be solved by "breaking the glaze" on the shoes and/or drums with very course sandpaper.

If this doesn't do it, try turning the drums. While they are off, check the fit between the shoes and drums. You will need to remove the shoes and put them inside of the drums to do this.

When drums are turned the ID of the drum is increased slightly. If the drums are turned several times the shoes will contact the drums only in the middle of the arc and braking effort will be significantly reduced.

In years past, is was common practice to cam gring new shoes to fit the ID of the drums after turning automotive drums.

Currently, I have a Ford with this very condition on the left side and the brake has little effect even though the lining is new and not glazed and the drum has been turned. When asking at various auto parts stores if they can cam grind brake shoes for me or even still have the machine to do so, I get only blank stares. Only one guy who has been in the business for about 25 years knew what I was talking about and he told me that it was now "illegal" to cam grind shoes so he gave his machine away.

By the way, if this is your problem, the shoes will eventually wear to fit the ID of the drums. On a car this can take several thousand miles of normal driving. On a farm tractor it will take years.

You can, of course, buy new drums.

Dean

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mn.Chuck

05-27-2006 13:21:28




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 Re: Weak brakes on MF-135 in reply to Burt-CA, 05-27-2006 06:40:06  
The brake linings though new could be glazed.This
can be fixed by removing drum and scraping,sanding
or "roughing"the linings. Chuck



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Burt-CA

05-27-2006 17:26:16




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 Re: Weak brakes on MF-135 in reply to mn.Chuck, 05-27-2006 13:21:28  
Thanks to all for the replies.....

First thing I done when received the tractor I adjusted the brakes the pedals went higher
but no brake improvement.

Glazed shoes make sense...I will remove the drums
and see...

Many thanks to all !

Burt-CA



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