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Bush hog for my MF135

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Bill Darte

06-08-2006 17:09:59




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OK...so, (knock on wood)...I'm ready to go out and do some work with my 1970 MF135 Perkins Gas.

Bought it to bush hog about 10-12 acres of bottomland....mostly tall grass and very small brush. Grass is crap...canary grass mostly so it don't look like too tough a stuff.

Also I am gonna try to mow some pretty steep hillside....I have a roll bar and harness. May find it is too rough to do though. So I don't know whether I'll end up doing it or not.

Question is.... 5 foot or 6 foot?

5 foot would be a bit more maneuverable and cheaper.

6 foot would have more capacity whether I used it or not. Also, if I spread the tractor out as wide as it will go (6 feet), the 6 footer would mow better maybe(?)

Would the 135 drive the 6 footer OK? Also, would the 6 footer provide more low weight to help stabilize the tractor on the hill?...or does a three point attachment make any difference to the stability?

Anyway, I have very little experience with this and I'm getting ready to buy...so your help is appreciated.

BTW...you help is already appreciated for help in the past...and A GREAT BIG THANK YOU to Big Dean who has hand held me through simple tasks for everyone but me.....

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PMG in MD

06-13-2006 10:01:44




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
I too have a MF 135 - diesel and for many years I mow 15 hilly acres of tall grass/brush. I'd go with the 5-foot bush hog, and liquid fill all tires. I noticed big improvement with liquid filled tires on hills - much better control and braking (less tire spin). Go "down" steep hills, low 1st gear. Be careful and don't go Up or sideways on steep hills. If you feel like your going to fast... YOU ARE! Go slow and enjoy the ride.

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Bill Darte

06-09-2006 12:13:44




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 Great feedback.... in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
Thanks,

You all have (again) enlightened me. And, Jerry/MT, that was a great post. I completely understand the leverage issues you illustrate. Makes total sense and I will do this.... I know I've seen the weight of a 135 posted here before. Unless someone knows off-hand, I'll go to the archives.

Ultimately I'm thinking that a 'close' estimate will work fine and if I have to err, I will do so with a little more weight up front, rather than in the rear.

Again, thanks to all.

Also, I'll look into stabilizer bars.

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Christos

06-09-2006 10:41:33




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
Bill, I'm probably a day late and a dollar short, but I would go for the five foot model bushhog. That's what we've got at home and my tractor doesn't have any weights or fluid, though I am going to put a weight bracket in the future when I finally get a plow.

The only special thing you'll need for that mower are stabilizer bars/brackets. Mowing became a lot easier once I started using them as the bush hog had a tendency to list to port.

Christos

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Bill Darte

06-09-2006 09:31:07




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 What I'm hearing is ...and what about weight in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
So, what I'm hearing is it would be safer (on the hillside) to have a smaller (5ft.) and lighter (light duty) mower, though it wouldn't be as productive or get as good a cut (tracks coverage).

I don't care much for how perfect a cut job it does, 'cause it is a real mess now.

So, I have NO weights on the front of the tractor and the tires are not filled either.

I was planning on putting a homemade bumper on the front that I could add a box for carrying weight and/or tools in. Should I plan for as much weight up front as the mower weighs? This weight helps counter balance the implement when lifted right...and keeping the front down when mowing up-hill?

When going UP a fairly steep grade, I assume I would want the mower on the ground right?

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Jerry/MT

06-09-2006 11:09:28




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 Re: What I'm hearing is ...and what about weight in reply to Bill Darte, 06-09-2006 09:31:07  
No you don't want to put as much ballast on as the mower weighs becasue you'll over weight it and possibley damage something.
The center of gravity of the mower is in front of the gear box. Just how far depends on the mower and the 3 point attachment but I'd say a round number would be 6 inches. Measure the distance between a point 6 inches in front of the center of the gear box to the center of the rear axle. Multiply that distance by the weight of the mower (for example a 1100 lb mower and a 3.5 ft distance from the point 6 inches in front of the center of the gear box to the rear axle would give you 3850 ft lbs (1100lb x 3.5 ft). Measure the distance between the rear transmission flange and the center of the rear axle. (I assumed that's where the tractor center of gravity is, it might be closer to the center of the tranny but you can do the calculations both ways to see what the diffference is.) Lets say it's 1 ft. Knowing the weight of your tractor (lets say it's 3000 lbs.) Now measure from the center of gravity of your ballast to the center of the rear axle(lets say that distance is 6 ft.
then (6 xWb) + (3000 x 1) =1100 x 3.5.
Wb (the weight of added ballast)= (3850 -3000)/6 = 142 , which says that you have to add 142 lbs of ballast AND ballast carrier, to zero out the moment of the mower weight.

Usually the mower will have a flex link at the top link connection that allows for some rotation about draft links so when wou go up or down hill the mower is on the ground. It will not cover severe departure angles however so you need to watch out for really severe up and down grade changes.
The weights are just WAGS (wild ... guesses)so you'll have to do someresearch to do it right, just don't overload the tractor.

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supergrumpy

06-09-2006 07:33:28




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
I have exact same tractor with 5 foot Bushhog Squealer, gasers don't seem to have the torque that the 3 cyl diesels do, tractor is real good on gas consumption

this combination has mowed absolutely everything I needed to but bogs down in damp heavy clover or stringy stuff, then I just drop back a gear

I moved tires way in till they almost hit the fenders, mower just cuts the width of the rear tires unless you on on a side hill and mower sways a bit to the side

If I ever needed another mower I would get another 5 footer Bushhog Squealer - IMHO

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MF Poor

06-09-2006 07:06:21




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
State hwy mowing crews here use 5' mowers on 50 HP tractors with wheels set to almost 8' wide. (LOADS of hills)

I have a '72 MF 150, Perkins 152-3 diesel. It handle a 6' medium duty Bush Hog cutter like it isn't even back there. The 150 is about 9" longer and several hundred pounds (on the front end) heavier than a 135. Makes all the difference in the world.

Power wise, you probably have enough. Under extreme conditions, just cut slower or don't take a full width cut and you can use a 6'er. I'd be very skeptical about the weight though.

Do you have any idea what brand/model mower you'll be getting? Some light duty mowers are just that.... LIGHT (weight) Even a 6'er won't be too heavy. The same 6' Bush Hog 286 (with both sets of saftey chains) I use on the 150 will bring the front wheels off the ground on my Ford 3000. (About the same chassis lenght as a 135)

Unless you're just bound and determined to get a 6'er, I'd consider the 5'. (And a GOOD heavy (or medium) duty model at that.) I don't care much for lightweight "throw-away" mowers.

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Boss Hog

06-09-2006 05:39:51




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
I've tried a 6' mower on a TO-35 and it was just too heavy. I'd recommend a 5' mower.

And if you're on hillsides, push the rear wheels out as far as you can for added stability. No need to try out that ROPS if ya don't have to.

BTW - It's true a 5' mower doesn't quite cover the wheel tracks. I wonder why no one has come up with a 5.5' mower for Fergusons. Seems like it would be a good compromise between a 5' and 6' mower...

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Ed Lotterman

06-09-2006 01:41:55




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
I run a Buhler 84" on a MF 165 gas. Handles it well and covers the tracks. Used to run a 5" on a TO-30. A 6" will be pretty heavy on a 135. Do you have front weights? If you are going to be on hillsides I would probably stay with a 5' It is a pain to not cover your own tire tracks but better than getting rolled over, etc.



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Aaron Ford

06-08-2006 22:13:16




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
Parents put a 6 footer behind the 135 (gas) and it carried the front end and absolutely refused to stay on any type of grade. They lost their butts on it. Had to buy a 5 footer and eat the cost of the brand new 6 footer. It did look kinda funny as the rear wheel of the brushhog was on the ground but the front wheels of the tractor weren't.



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Jerry/MT

06-08-2006 21:34:28




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
If it's mature, reed canary grass is pretty tough stuff. Powerwise, you can easily handle a 6 ft mower with a 135. Be careful of the weight of the mower. Some of the heavy duty ones weigh over 1100#.You may have to have some front weight or ballast in the front tires to get better controlability if you get a really heavy mower.



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Rick(wat,on.)

06-08-2006 17:41:05




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
Bill. I have a 63 35 with the 3 cyl perkins diesel which has a bit more HP than the gas and more low end torque and I run a 5' bushhog behind mine. Works really well and I mow some fairly heavy swamp grass with it. Don't think I would want any more mower back there most times unless the grass is very light. Don't think it would make much difference as far as stability on the hills. Be carefull, as you don't want to roll it even with the rops. Rick.

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Fred Mills

06-08-2006 17:40:15




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Bill Darte, 06-08-2006 17:09:59  
My 135 Perkins gas pulls a 6' rotary cutter(Bush Hog) just fine. A 5' would not be wide enough to cover the wheel width on my tractor.



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Bill in TN

06-08-2006 18:21:57




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 Re: Bush hog for my MF135 in reply to Fred Mills, 06-08-2006 17:40:15  
I've got a 70 model 135 with perkins diesel and have a 5 foot bushhog. It doesn't cut the tire tracks and I wish I had a 6 foot for that reason. You may have to go a little slower with a 6' but I think the 135 would handle it fine.



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