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Dead battery after cleaning post on 135

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135 Fan

10-24-2006 20:59:20




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After telling someone on another post that I've never had a problem, I've got a wierd one. Murphys law. I've had to clean my + battery terminal a couple times in order for it to make good enough contact to start. About a week ago I finally remembered to take a proper battery brush to clean the post and clamp. I cleaned everything and it started right away. I only ran it about 30 seconds and shut it off. I needed to use it today and the battery was completely dead. I boosted it and got it running and the generator and ammeter are working as normal. It showed it was charging more. I'm thinking maybe the regulator just didn't shut off? Also I over filled it and some diesel spilt on the starter and right side of the engine. Could this have caused the battery to drain? If the battery posts and clamp are clean but won't tighten real tight can this cause the battery to drain? I know it will cause it not to start. The battery isn't that old. I'm taking a charger out to fully charge the battery and see what happens after I leave it for a day or so but if it goes dead again what should I check? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Dave

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DavidP, South Wales

10-25-2006 00:27:04




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to 135 Fan, 10-24-2006 20:59:20  
Hi,
Spilling diesel is very unlikely to cause any problems. You mention the 'generator'. Is it a dynamo or an alternator? If it is an alternator it is possible that the diode has failed and as well as charging the battery when running it will discharge the battery overnight. Charge the battery up and remove the cables. Leave it for a day or so. If it starts OK it suggests that something is pulling the battery down. If not, have the battery tested with a HD discharge tester at your local garage.
DavidP

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 12:24:21




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 10-25-2006 00:27:04  
It is a dynamo. When I tightened the clamp on the battery post the wrench slipped and arced on the hood for a milisecond. Could that have caused any problem? I just remembered this. The generator and regulator seem to work fine because after I boosted it I drove it closer to my gas generator so I can charge the battery. It was at night and the lights were normal when revved up and went dimmer at idle. Thanks for the help. I'm going out to charge it up today and see what happens. Dave

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135 Fan

10-25-2006 19:55:39




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to 135 Fan, 10-25-2006 12:24:21  
I think the battery is the problem. Maybe a little colder weather was just the nail in the coffin. I put a 35 amp charger on for about 2.5 hours. It showed a 15 amp charge rate. I tried to see if it would start. It turned over a few times very slow. I put the battery charger back on and the battery wouldn't take a charge. One cell was lower on acid. Can a battery just go like that? I'm going to get it checked but I think it's kapoot. Thanks for your responses. Dave

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DavidP, South Wales

10-26-2006 00:47:43




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to 135 Fan, 10-25-2006 19:55:39  
Hi,
Batteries are unpredictable but generally these days the number of newish faulty ones are few and far between. It is unlikely that a quick flash would have done any damage. Two things to try;
When you charge the battery observe how the cells are gassing. If one is gassing visibly more than the others that would suggest a faulty cell. Check for the same when you try to start. The bad cell will start gassing.
On the dynamo; If you have spade terminals make up a fairly heavy cable to connect the large and small terminals on the dynamo with about 12" of free cable with the end bared or any terminal fitted. Run the engine at fast idle and quickly drag the loose end at any earth point. If the dynamo is OK you will have a loud arcing sound and a strong flash. Don't worry, it's quite safe.
If it is only weak then your dynamo output is down.
DavidP

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135 Fan

10-26-2006 07:52:43




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 10-26-2006 00:47:43  
Thanks for the reply. I guess the battery is about 4 years old. I thought it was newer but the tractor sat for most of 2004 and was hardly used. It started right up after sitting without needing to be charged. Maybe from sitting and not getting cycled the battery life was shortened? I know places that sell batteries rotate their stock. If all I need is a battery I'm happy. No having to track down an odd problem. Dave

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135 Fan

10-26-2006 19:49:44




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to 135 Fan, 10-26-2006 07:52:43  
Problem solved. The battery had one dead cell. My charging system is A OK. Dave



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jicarre

10-24-2006 23:07:22




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 Re: Dead battery after cleaning post on 135 in reply to 135 Fan, 10-24-2006 20:59:20  
Hello FAN 135,


Did you cut the ground wire ? It should be one on the 135. This switch, as far I know, is made to avoid to drain the battery. I would be happy to see if I am right, keep me informed !

Let we know !

Jicarre



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