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Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel

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Bill VA

10-27-2006 18:14:57




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I"ve got some bush hogging coming-up near December and it"s looking like the weather in my neck of the woods is going to be right cold, if today is any indication!

I"ve got some fields that I like to mow at least once a year to keep the woody stuff at bay. What I like to do is wait until the frost kills off the grass stuff and in doing so doesn"t load-up my MF50 Diesel so much.

But, this tractor is stored in a drafty shed and I"d like to figure out an easy to warm this tractor to make starting more easy. I don"t use ether (sp?) on this fine old tractor.

Compression is fairly good, but after setting all night in the teens or twenty"s, I just don"t like grinding the starter to get the old tractor going.

I"ve got no electricity available at the tractor. What options do I have for warming-up the engine prior to starting?

BTW, it has the fuel fired air intake, but I"ve never used it where you turn the key to the left vs right when using it. Anyone using that for cold weather starting?

Any tips or tricks would be helpful. Again the tractor is a 1962 MF50 Diesel.

Thanks!
Bill

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davediehl@hotmail.com

11-04-2006 11:51:44




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
Goto your local auto parts store and buy a dipstick heater. It fits down the tube of your dipstick and heats the oil, which will warm the engine. These take several hours to work, normally we leave ours on all night, but they are great. You will warm that thick oil so it flows properly and make starting in extreme weather a cinch.



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pbutler

11-03-2006 10:16:36




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
Be glad you have a Perkins. I can't get my 30 series Deere started below 50 degrees without starting fluid.



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Harry Werner

10-30-2006 06:16:42




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
I know this sounds "Girley" but it works. I have a MF 30B Backhoe/Loader. (cold natured, with no glow plugs or other heaters) I found that if I remove the air intake filter, place a 12 Volt RV hair dryer (connected to the battery) in the intake for a couple of minutes, it starts easily. The hair dryer super heats the intake air and helps with the combustion process. Much easier on the starter and battery and the old Perkins.

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135 Fan

10-30-2006 09:35:13




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Harry Werner, 10-30-2006 06:16:42  
I've used a hair dryer to help before. It wasn't twelve volt but it can't hurt anything. Would probably be good to use of the battery of the running vehicle. I'm wondering how many other people have used a hair dryer for starting? Dave



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Geoff Gane

10-28-2006 06:17:13




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
I don't think there is much more I can add as all you guys have hit the nails fair and square on the heads. When we had a cold winter here (-33) not anything like you will experience in your country I used to advise to parking up a tractor in a feeding passage where cattle were housed, the next stap was to build hay or straw bales around the tractor rather like an igloo...the warmth retained from the tractor engine plus the body heat from the cattle overnight was all that was needed to keep the engine that few degrees warmer and it had relatively good results....Geoff..Scotland...UK

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GaryF

10-28-2006 02:06:34




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
Bill...last winter a thermastart setup was installed in both my MF40 and the MF135. Now I don't have to use Start Fluid when it gets cold.
They each have block heaters but there is no power where they are.
You may want to check over the system just to be sure it works. When you turn your key to the left the heater in the thermastart comes on when it gets good and hot a poppet valve opens up and lets a dribble of diesel fuel run out this prompty ignites you can hear the whoosh when this happens(if it isn't to noisy where you are trying to start)4-5 seconds later you turn the key more to the left(there are 2 stops when turning left vs 1 when turning right)it should start quickly. The system uses the special ignition switch, a small reservoir that holds fuel which is plumbed into the fuel return system and the Thermastart heater/valve assembly that screws into the intake there is also a wire running from the correct terminal on the ignition switch to the thermastart plug. First thing to check is for 12V power at the Thermastart plug when key is turned left. If no power you need to look for a problem with the switch. Second if you have power and you can't feel the plug getting hot or the whoosh sound(Fuel ignition)then you will need a new thermastart plug. Next to the block heater this is the simplest\safest way to start your diesel engine but it has to be working properly. Either is quick and reliable but if you are not careful bad things could happen. There are "kits" you can buy that electrically inject a measured amount of either into your intake system these are considered quite safe.
Gary

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135 Fan

10-27-2006 20:57:33




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
That heater is the thermo-start. You can use it for about 30 seconds if you have to. It burns diesel in the intake manifold for cold weather starting. On mine you can turn the key to the left and have the starter turn over with the thermo-start still on. You could get a propane heater or a big propane torch that you could put inside a 3 or 4 ft. pipe to contain the flame and let the heat coming out the end warm the tractor. You don't need to turn the torch very high at all. Just make sure there is nothing on the ground that can burn. I doubt you need to do this but that's how a lot of people start cats and stuff in the cold. You could hook up quick couplers on the heater hoses of your vehicle and put some on the tractor as well. A very small shot of either wouldn't hurt but don't use it with the thermo-start. Then you could have big problems. Try the thermo-start first. You should be able to hear it heating. Hope this helps. Dave

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Barry_DI

10-27-2006 20:09:58




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
I have a MF 65 from 1964. For cold weather starting, turning the key to the left partially for 10 seconds or so, and then all the way to the left seems to work well. Isn't it some sort of electric heating mechanism for the fuel?

Another option...drain your oil the night before and keep it in a warm place; put it back right before you start it up. I saw this on a documentary about a lady flying her little airplane across the Himalayas. :)

Best wishes,
Barry

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chad 9999

10-27-2006 18:53:59




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to Bill VA, 10-27-2006 18:14:57  
ON MY 245 ONE SHORT BURST OF STARTING FLUID WONT HURT A THING AND IT FIRES RIGHT UP THE ONLY TIME IT REALLY EFFECTS THINGS IS WHEN U PUT 2 MUCH OR IF IT HAS INTERNAL GLOW PLUGS



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DavidP, South Wales

10-28-2006 05:04:24




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to chad 9999, 10-27-2006 18:53:59  
This is really to pretty much echo what everyone else has said. Don't be tempted to use 'laughing gas!' It may seem an easier answer but not in the long term. If your compression is good, the thermostart system is working OK and the starter and battery are good, that should get you going.
As an extra you might have a spare fully charged battery and a pair of jumper leads just to assist with that first time start-up of the day.

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Jack in nb

10-28-2006 05:55:08




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 Re: Starting a VERY cold MF Diesel in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 10-28-2006 05:04:24  
When I was in the Yukon a half century ago, an old chap had a trick to start his '49 Chev pickup in 40 and 50 below temps. He had a "gist pot" - a coffee can half filled with sawdust.

A half hour before he wanted to start, he'd pour in a half cup of kerosene,light it,and set it under the oil pan.

I've used it on occasion since - and it works.

In VA, that would be drastic! A working thermostart and 10-30 oil should be more than adequate down to about 10 degrees unless the engine is really tired.

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